A Short History of My Last Six Years

June 18, 2016. Obama was president, the Cavs were on their way to beating the Warriors in the NBA finals, Game of Thrones was still good, and I was 34 years old with my whole life ahead of me.

Wait But Why had been around for three years, a stretch during which I wrote about 100 blog posts on dozens of topics. On the afternoon of June 18, 2016, I was sitting on the couch engaging in a familiar ritual: looking through my list of future post ideas, trying to pick my next topic. And then I had a thought.

So many of the post ideas I was scanning through were about the future. Virtual reality. Artificial intelligence. Genetic engineering. Life extension. Multiplanetary expansion. But lately, it felt like there was a cloud hanging over all these topics.

My urge to write about the future comes from an excited optimism that’s fundamental to my personality. I believe at a deep level that the future is going to be an amazing, exhilarating ride, and nothing is more fun than learning about cutting edge developments that can offer clues into what magic might lie down the road.

But on June 18, 2016, I didn’t feel excitedly optimistic. There was a different feel to the world than there had been in my previous blogging years. Something seemed off about the society around me, like there had been a subtle, foreboding shift in the balance between reason and madness. It felt like we were losing our grip on something important.

The fun thing about being a blogger is you can write about whatever the fuck you want. And a good compass for me had always been that if something was incessantly on my mind, it was probably a good post topic. So I decided to write what I call a “mini post.”

Wait But Why articles are long, and they go deep. I bathe in the topic for a little while, dread writing it for a little while, then finally pump it out, draw the drawings, give it a read, and post. A mini-post is much chiller—I just open WordPress and type what’s on my mind, and post it.

So I opened WordPress to write a little post about that cloud I felt hovering over my other post topics. I’d knock out a draft tonight, give it a read tomorrow, and publish it.

But nothing came out. I didn’t know where to start.

There were a bunch of bad trends: Tribalism was flaring up everywhere, mass shaming campaigns were roaring back into fashion, politicians were increasingly clown-like, public discourse had become a battle of one-dimensional narratives. But why was all of this happening now? Was the problem related to social media? To politics or current events? Was it some broader cultural or psychological phenomenon?

I also noticed that I wasn’t feeling the normal confidence I felt when I started a new post. Something about this topic felt scary. I never felt scared to write about anything before. This fear of writing about this topic seemed like it was an important part of the topic.

Nope. Not a mini-post. I needed the full week for this one.

But a funny thing happened that week. I didn’t write anything. Instead, I started jotting down notes and ideas in a Text Edit document called “society” that quickly became long and messy. I abandoned that document and opened up “society 2” to give myself a fresh start. Soon there was a Society folder with seven note documents.

I could have just stopped there. Too big a topic, too out of my wheelhouse, too icky, too scary. An outline for a virtual reality post was sitting right there in my Future Posts folder waiting for me.

But I’m really, really bad with the sunk cost fallacy. I had already put so much time and thought in, and I couldn’t handle all of it being for nothing.

And so began the next six years of my life.

I wish I could say that I actively decided to put everything else aside and write a giant opus on the problems with my society. But it didn’t happen like that. If you asked me at any point over the past six years when I was gonna be done with my society post—and plenty of people did—the answer was always, “I’m finally getting close.” And I believed it every time. I fully believed, every time, that this thing was almost done. The delusion of a madman.

And the problem with this particular delusion is that it’s a perfect way to ruin your life. If I believed I was working on a six-year project, I’d have worked the project into my normal life. I’d get into a rhythm that would allow for a work-life balance. But when you think you’re at most a couple months from finishing a big project, it makes sense to put everything else on hold for just a little bit more until the project is done. I wasn’t someone who never made fun plans or who worked on every vacation or who took a lot of Vyvanse—I was someone who did those things just for right now, because I’m in crunch time on a big project. For six years.

In May of 2017, I asked my girlfriend to marry me. We had been dating since 2011. She had seen the whole Wait But Why journey up close and had now been living with “I’m almost done with this big project” Tim for a year. We set our wedding date for October of 2018. Thank god by then I’d be out of this pit and working on all kinds of other fun projects.

But instead of the project wrapping up, it just got bigger.

The topic had led me down dozens of totally different rabbit holes, and everything I read seemed relevant to it. I don’t like telling a partial story. Like I had in other posts, I was determined to tell the full, full story. If I noticed something in my reading or on social media or in the news that seemed like an important piece of the puzzle, it had to be incorporated. If that fucked up the current outline, then the outline would have to adapt.

The problem is that the outlines became ridiculous. I couldn’t keep it all in my head at once, so I made sub-outlines, and sub-sub-outlines. The Society folder now looked like this:

As 2017 became 2018, I decided that the wedding would be the hard deadline that I needed. My girlfriend had spent way too much time with an “I’m almost done with this massive post on society” boyfriend. She would have a much more pleasant husband.

I’m still not sure how I turned into a crazy person. The way to proceed was obvious. I should pick a piece of this albatross, throw the rest away, and focus in on it. Do what I had done for years—suck it up, get serious, knock something out, and move on with my life.

But I’m a nightmare of a perfectionist and knew that the ultimate prize was to figure out how to not focus in but capture it all in a single, overarching story. It all was one big story, and I wanted to tell it.

Wedding day came and went.

People in my life were worried about me. They tried encouraging me, shaming me, setting deadlines for me, reminding me that one post really shouldn’t take multiple years. Nothing seemed to help.

Finally, in mid-2019, I hatched a plan that would once and for all end this thing. Rather than post a gargantuan blog post, I’d make it a series. This would break it into parts, which is less daunting. Plus, I had learned that the adrenaline of knowing that my readers were only days away from seeing what I was working on was a huge motivator that I had been sorely missing.

I called it The Story of Us and in August of 2019, the first chapter went up. The whole thing would be 12 chapters, I decided, and even though the chapters got longer as they went, and the time between them expanded, it was finally happening—I was publishing the damn thing. The end was near.

Then came Chapter 11. The first 10 chapters had introduced the core framework of the series and talked broadly about the big picture of what I thought our problem was. In Chapter 11, I was going to dip into more controversial territory, looking at the past few years of news stories through the lens of the framework we had developed.

It turns out I had a lot more to say about what was going on around me than I had anticipated. Soon, my draft of Chapter 11 was longer than the first ten chapters combined. I have problems.

Now it was the middle of 2020. Covid was in full swing. Thousands of people were marching by my apartment in protest. It was a seismic year for American society. Everything I was writing about was happening, and rapidly evolving, literally outside my window. What I had written months earlier suddenly seemed stale. Also, Chapter 11 was over 100,000 words. Death.

It started to dawn on me that I really needed to just turn this into a book. Between the mountains of feedback I had gotten from readers and friends on The Story of Us and the mountains of new thoughts I had about all the recent developments in the world, I knew that there was one way to really bring the project from hell home: open a blank Microsoft Word document and write a newer, better, complete story, and do it in a book format that people could read more easily than a web page. Somewhere, a fairy died.

So I started writing the book. I’d call it the name it should have always been called: What’s Our Problem? I knew what I wanted to say. I just had to write it.

I finished V1 in December of 2021 and triumphantly tweeted about it.

Done! In a sense! It was 250,000 words, which is about 150,000 words too long. And missing most of the drawings. And I had a giant “ADD IN” document full of news stories which had happened in the year and a half since I started writing the book that would need to be incorporated.

It’s hard to cut writing. Perfectionism, sunk costs, etc. Procrastination abound. I would try to cut a section down, polish it off, and move on, but kept finding myself rewriting the section entirely. I was moving at a snail’s pace.

Then one day in June of 2022, my wife woke me up by handing me a positive pregnancy stick. It was a surreal, joyful moment. I’ve never been anyone’s dad before but always wanted to be. Then the thought hit me.

NOPE. 100% no. It could not happen. This baby could not enter a world where this project was still going on. Suddenly, an old friend entered the room.

 

The baby was due on March 7, 2023, so this book would be completely done by mid-February, period end of story.

V2 got finished (July 2022). Then V3 (September). Then V4 (December). Editors and fact-checkers and copy editors and ebook designers and audiobook engineers were hired. Alicia (Wait But Why’s Manager of Lots of Things, who had already put in thousands of hours helping with every element of the process), went into crazy crunch time mode. I sat in a booth for 45 hours reading the audiobook (January). The ebook was designed (February). The launch date was set.

It took 2,440 days, but my mini-post on society is done and coming out on Tuesday. Fuckin shit.

Here are the pages:

Some stats:

  • 121,000 words
  • 303 drawings
  • 11,081 documents in my Society folder
  • I’m 41
  • A condensed and re-written Story of Us makes up 25% of the book. The rest is all new.

This book is my best crack at explaining what I think is an existential risk to liberal societies and what I think we need to do to get to that awesome future I used to be so excited about. There are dozens of concepts in the book that serve as a kind of toolbox for understanding our societies, our group dynamics, and our own minds. I’m very proud of the final product and never want to have an experience like this again.

If you would like to take my last six years and put it into your brain, here are the different options (all available on Tuesday Feb 21):

Ebook: Available on most major platforms (you can also buy the EPUB directly). It looks best on color e-readers and tablets (especially on vertical scroll mode), but also fine on phones and black-and-white e-readers. The best ebook experience we’ve seen is Apple Books > iPad > sepia > vertical scroll. Available for preorder on Apple and Kindle – the rest are available on launch day, Feb 21.

Wait But Why: Without the limitations of the other formats, this is where the drawings can be displayed full-size, where footnotes can be interactive, etc. The downside here is that you can only read it on a tablet or phone, not an e-reader, and there’s no dark mode at the moment (we’re working on that for later in 2023). Available here.

Click here to see how the book looks in different formats

Audiobook: Available on most major platforms (or you can buy the mp3 directly). Read painstakingly by me. I personally do most of my reading via audiobook, so I tried to make it the best possible experience. The obvious downside is that the book has 300+ visuals, so we made a webpage (and pdf) for audiobook listeners with the 46 most important drawings, numbered. When I get to that point in the reading, I say something like, “Go look at drawing number 24.” Available for preorder on Kobo and on other platforms (Audible, Apple, Spotify, and more) on launch day.

If you can’t afford it: I really want everyone who wants to read this book to be able to do so, so if you can’t afford to buy the book, email us at whatsourproblem@waitbutwhy-2024-production.mystagingwebsite.com and we’ll give you a code that lets you read it on WBW for free.

Print: There is not a print version, which I know will disappoint some people. There are a few reasons for this, but the biggest one is that printing this big full-color book would have delayed launch by many, many months, and fuck that.

Also, Idea Labs: A major theme in this book is how we can do better at having productive discussions about tough topics. So we’re planning to create virtual book clubs for anyone who is interested in discussing the book with other WBW readers. More on this soon, but if you’re interested in being part of a book club, enter your email address here.

So that’s the story with this book. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts. If you want to be notified on launch day and keep up with whatever else we work on in the future, make sure you’re on our email list.

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Another time I did something hard: Doing a TED Talk: The Full Story

The number of years this book took me: From 1,000,000 to Graham’s Number

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  1. Judith Schaer Avatar
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    I so relate to you. I am a psychotherapist and have used your blogs to help people deal with procrastination, and it works..but…I now realize as per my adult grandaughter remarked how she is sure I was Neurodivergent ADHD for sure. She was helping me transcribe a professional proposal and saw 1,000 notes to pull together that would definitely come together SOMEDAY, but due next day. In fact I read your "Book Blog" as I was supposed to finish my billing, so theres that. SO MY QUESTION, ON PROCRASTINATION, PERFECTIONISM, IS ADD PART OF DEAL??? JUDITH

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    I just finished listening to that book 3 times in a week. I'm sending it to my friend, medical director of one of bostons behemoth hospitals. Hell appreciate someone putting words to jumbled suspicions. This is a top fiver of the last few years. Up there with caste and allow me to retort oddly.

  3. Howard Salsastudent Avatar
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    Most of the tribal elders only read physical books. Make one and I'll probably buy and gift a copy a month between now and when every tribal elder dies off. There's no substitute for the nagging sensation created by that physical book someone took the trouble and cost to give to you. Just do it, guys. You've done the hard part already. This is easy.

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    This blog post, comments, and potential usefulness of this book is exactly like learning how to juggle. Have any of you ever juggled or tried? You start with 1 ball, then 2 then make the leap to 3. From there, the sky is the limit..

    However a juggler juggling 3 physical objects is juggling 4+ objects, because in addition to the 3 physical objects, the juggler also has to juggle the audiences attention, and their expectations… and then there is a separate object in addition to all the others that the juggler figuratively has to jungle behind his back with slight of hand… that object is a question and an answer that is always to be avoided…

    Audience: “Juggle four! Juggle four!”
    Juggler: “…”

    There’s a secret though…the audience thinks they want to see the juggler juggle 4 balls… they don’t. This is the biggest key to learning how to juggle:

    **The audience does not want to see you juggle an arbitrary number of balls. They only and ever want to see you juggle one more than you can juggle.

    So when we want to be entertained, sometimes “enough” = “more”

    But, this is where the analogy starts to fall apart. (Sorry, I’m not as good at this as Tim Urban and his team, but I hope this was at least moderately entertaining and I hope you will read further, because I think there is something exciting to learn and try and it doesn’t have to do with juggling more objects than we can)

    An audience doesn’t really have any responsibilities other than to pay the circus character at admissions, but in this case Tim’s handed us a baton in the relay race before collapsing and drinking electrolytes (i.e. raising a child and being a family…I know – bad analogies all around)

    And we’re asking him to hand us a printed version of the baton.

    Ball One: I’m only about ⅓ of the way through the book, and I already love it and I’m finding that I will need to read it again. Why? Because I actually tried to start using it. I’m up to near the end of the Social Justice Fundamentalist explanation and examples and I have enough of a framework to start juggling one ball – telling likeminded friends what I like about the book but describing some of the terms and relationships and why I think they are useful. And they are adding it to their reading lists.

    Ball Two: After I’ve finished the book, I’d like to be able to use this framework to discuss with friends and tease meaning out of current events and their coverage. Most importantly to rid ourselves of low rung thinking that is hurting us on “the left” and de-golemize our thinking and clearly see where we are doing it and where we are not. The most confusing thing is the mixture of higher and low rung thinking in the same conversation.

    Ball Three: use this to talk with people who have significantly different perspectives. Disagree better.

    —-
    So this juggling performance is different because I’m hoping some in the audience might be inspired enough by the clown pants and stilts and all the trappings of the jugglers to actually try doing some of it ourselves… and maybe it can evolve from solo to group juggling.

    Have any of you joined or created reading groups??? How did it go? How has this framwlework helped you to entertain and decrapify political discourse in your own lives?

  5. Snazster Avatar
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    “an existential risk to liberal societies”

    I certainly don’t condone the conservative societies, but a dang pendulum swinging back and forth between the two extremes is the real problem. Not to mention the inherent craziness in thinking you can swing it way far one direction and then sorta superglue it there. Sensible people on both sides should be trying to grab hold of the durn thing and keep it near the center so we can all get on with more important stuff. If we are the only ones in the universe, or at least the galaxy, we got a lot more on our plate than just this.

    Welcome back, by the way. Guess you’ve been back for a while, but no one told me and I gave up after a few years of static content.

    1. Steve Avatar
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      That’s exactly his point though. He uses the term “liberal” differently, which is explained clearly in the book.

  6. Julian McNally Avatar
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    Sadly this is only encouraging me to finish the book I started writing in 2020 – the 7th of 7 books I haven’t yet written. If you can get this Leviathan done in 7 years, I’m sure I can get mine done by 2025 Fortunately I have written 2.5 out of 12 chapters, so expect it out around 2032 at this rate.

    Well done Tim. When I finish my book, I look forward to reading yours.

  7. Sanjaya GMail Avatar
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    It was enlightening to know and feel like I’m not the only one who meanders through life in this way. Though I was hoping there was a moral to the story or some advice to manage similar traits… Or did I miss the conclusion/lesson behind the 6 year project.?

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    is anyone reading the book on a kobo? the text is fine but the images are far too large and which makes the book unreadable, given the amount of images contained therein. i cannot figure out how to reduce the image sizes, any tips would be gratefully received.

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    >politicians were increasingly clown-like
    My dude, that’s been going on for a very long time now. Read some of Warren Harding’s speeches, if you have a strong stomach. Now consider the fact that even then, Presidents paid people to write this stuff for them. The tendencies you perceive as tribalism existed, too. Read up on all the terrorist bombings in the US in the 1970s. Read up on the Puerto Rican Communist terrorists who shot up Congress in 1954.

    People born after 1980 sometimes don’t seem to grasp that history and culture didn’t begin with smartphones and Funko Pops. The world existed before there was an Internet. Really, it did.

    1. Steve Avatar
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      And he does go back that far, acknowledging stuff like Goldwater’s racist rhetoric. He’s clear this isn’t the worst time in US history. But it’s still pretty bad. A wrong in the past doesn’t make this wrong nowadays a right, and again, Tim never says that this is the worst time in history (which is probably the only point that could be argued when going with the “things were bad in the past” line of reasoning).

  10. Marcos Cançado Ribeiro Avatar
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    I came back to this site to get the link for the post ‘The Thinking Ladder’, from ‘The Story of US’ series. But it was removed from the site. I think this removal was a wrong decision. The ‘What’s Our Problem?’ book is not a good replacement for the original series. For example, the book does not contain a good explanation of the Attention Bouncer and of the Beliefs Bouncer, that are 2 very good and important concepts that I knew at the original series. I believe I read somewhere that the book used only 25% of the original series. The Bouncers should be among them, but they are not. The book should not delete the series, they should coexist.

    1. Steve Avatar
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      No. The book used 100% of the series, but that the 100% of the series was only 25% of the book.

      The post is still available on Internet Archive. Let me know if you want me to send the link.

  11. jhhhhhhhhhhh Avatar
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    hi

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    I haven’t yet read your book – I intend to. But let me just say that apart from the world/society/political level stuff, I resonate deeply with your personal perspectives. I read a few of your articles when i was in a bit of a rut myself. I once considered being a writer. After several years of chronic anxiety and life change, some of your earlier articles shed some light on my convictions and values. More importantly, they gave me courage. Now I find myself in an entirely different country, struggling with adult responsibilities, but I think I’ve sort of found my footing, reasonably joyful, and find myself lovingly supported in all I choose to do (and possibly fail) by people I now consider my family. Perhaps I’d write about it one day. Thanks for the handles in those formative years. And of course, for the inspiration to just live.

  13. Elom Hycy agotokpeKushiator mu Avatar
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    AS an atheist, your doing god’s work more than 99.9% of religious people

  14. A Land Avatar
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    The book is fantastic.
    I’m pretty sure existing readers would relish a paper copy should you decide to publish one.
    I certainly would!

  15. Avgi Stavrou Avatar
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    I’m clicking the spotify link but nothing appears.. is that only available for US audiences?

  16. Ron Moore Avatar
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    Maybe I’m Old School but it seems weird buying a book and not getting anything.

  17. Steve Avatar
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    Visit the Wait But Why wiki! I created this site dedicated solely to Tim Urban’s amazing work. Help us grow this site! It also has an idea lab for us to discuss this book while we’re waiting for the official one.

    https://wait-but-why.fandom.com/wiki/Wait_But_Why_Wiki

  18. Manos Avatar
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    I had read the old posts, but the book is much, much better. Many things I had never heard (I live in Greece). Thank you very much, Tim, for writing it and for letting me read it. You are a brave man.

  19. Scott Avatar
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    Many of our problems in America will come much closer to resolution when everyday Democrats realize that Republicans are fellow Americans and not enemies, and when everyday Republicans realize that Democrats are fellow Americans and not enemies; when we reject politicians that try to say otherwise; when we try to work together again in good faith and willingly compromise on issues where we don’t see eye to eye.

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    Nice

  21. Isak Avatar
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    I love to read regular books, and i really wish you will publish a physical version of the book someday. And I really wish that i wont be too long. And i really wish that you are happy! Those were my three wishes. Thanks for being an inspiration to me by the way!

  22. rlbond Avatar
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    Any chance of publishing the book on one of the self-publishing platforms like Lulu or KDP?

  23. David Straker Avatar
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    I have a weirdly, similarish story.

    In 2002 I started writing changingminds.org as a catalog of the psychology of changing minds. It did fairly well, getting around a million views a month at its peak. I even wrote a book on the subject and sold it on the site. In December 2019 I stopped. I was getting bored. Tempus was fugiting. I was worried that my writings would be used to do bad things. I thought I might get trolled, or worse. I was making excuses to stop.

    So I stopped. For a week, a month, a year, years.

    I did other things. Like a YouTube channel on photo editing (InAffinity, currently over 850 videos, but flagging here too). And started writing a book on the psychology of human need. And stopped. And started again. Repeat.

    And now I’m spending a lot of time in the garden, growing vegetables and pondering existence.

    Whither, Dave?

  24. Kathy Cole Avatar
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    Just finished the book. Brilliant explanation of many things that have bothered me a LOT. One thought: What do video games encourage? Low-rung thinking and behavior! For some, literally “killing” your enemies. The current culture is feeding the Golem in all our kids.

    1. Steve Avatar
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      Not really. It’s all fake.

      Besides, not all tribalism is bad. Sports, for example, encourages tribalism. But we all know it’s just in good fun and it’s fake. Same thing with video games.

      1. wbwguest Avatar
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        anything can be weaponized…sports included…
        the best example of deweaponizing sports was one christmas during the world war the soldiers on opposing sides played a friendly game of soccer? until their commanders put a stop to it…

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      So, if video games encourage stupid behaviour, I‘d like to recommend you Civilization 6, Portal 2 and maybe satisfactory. Then, reflect on your opinion about video games.

  25. Stephen Corwin Avatar

    Instead, I started jotting down notes and ideas in a Text Edit document
    called “society” that quickly became long and messy. I abandoned that
    document and opened up “society 2” to give myself a fresh start. Soon
    there was a Society folder with seven note documents.

    Just a little shameless plug: https://lunette.app

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    Visit the Wait But Why wiki! I created this site dedicated solely to Tim Urban’s amazing work. Help us grow this site! It also has an idea lab for us to discuss this book while we’re waiting for the official one.

    https://wait-but-why.fandom.com/wiki/Wait_But_Why_Wiki

  27. M Avatar
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    This book is awesome!

  28. Bruce Lynn Avatar
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    I think you would enjoy the book by former Boston Globe science editor Chet Raymo called “Skeptics and True Believers” whose core theme echoes your ladder model.

  29. jerry Avatar
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    I saw an book interview with you during the time you wrote this where you claimed Evangelical Christian’s don’t use their societal power to silence others…And then I read your book and was not surprised how far right it skewed trying to be centrist and racist. But don’t ask me how much of a lie your point in that interview was, feel free to ask ChatGPT. You’re a biased tech bro/VC pushed hack, who the GF/wife is literally magically funded by the same tech bros out to “cancel “woke” people”, all while pretending to be “centrist”…They pay you well to lie and light fires for them, but we both know what you are.

    1. Calen Knauf Avatar
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      your the guy, your him, the cookie cutter far left human with no sense of reason or logic. found you!

      1. Steve Avatar
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        Yep. I’m part of the left but this anti-Timness is not good. Also call out HeySoosLover. That person is also anti-Tim.

      2. Leland Best Avatar
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        There’s at least one in every crowd… you only hear them because they make so much noise calling other people names and going all ad hominem all over them…

        1. Steve Avatar
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          Yep.

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    I just finished the book. I really like it. At the end, I like the steps towards personal courage starting with “stop saying things you don’t agree with”.

    On a more courageous front, I wonder if Tim would be willing to engage Elon for some of his recent low rung tactics – maybe he has the credibility with him to get him to ladder up a bit? Here’s an example:

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1646228065071292416?s=20

    where he seems to deliberately conflate receiving government funding (as Tesla has) with being “state controlled media”. I feel like he’s really damaging the chances of Twitter fostering higher rung discussion, which I was hoping for when he first bought Twitter.

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    Happy for Tim. But very sad that he has to remove The Story of Us from the website

  32. Misk Avatar
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    I just got to know you recently, a lot of posts, I haven’t even read them yet, it’s quite long, but it’s about the right things and comes to the conclusion that I need something for my life, I bear …

  33. Bas Avatar
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    Pls print the book – makes it substantially easier to gift and encourage others to read.

    1. Leland Best Avatar
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      Kindle self-publishing is free and could be done in 20m by uploading the PDF.

      1. Steve Avatar
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        Printing on Amazon isn’t that hard either. I was able to do it myself. With a pro like Alicia it should be a walk in the park.

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          Howd you do this?

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    I agree completely. Liberal societies are threatened. When have they not been threatened? You forgot the “capitalist” part in a “liberal capitalist” society. And therein lies both the primary flaw of your book and in, I suspect, the non-solution you provide. Because capitalism is doomed. It is failing as a product of its own internal contradictions. To keep inflation in check, the Fed forces a certain rate of unemployment. If everyone gets more money, the system cant produce enough – and so the con is up. It’s a lie. A fraud. A system of protecting the powerful and rich, and deceiving everyone else with neoliberal lies. It has no loyalty to anyone – it sent American men to die in Vietnam, but when that same Vietnam afforded cheap labour, it sent the jobs of the sons of the American men who fought in Vietnam to that still communist Vietnam. It has commodified all human relations, replaced all values with transactional values, it has put a dollar figure even on the dead peasant, by purchasing insurance on minimum wage workers. It is a monstrous projection of every wicked thing that has existed in the universe, and worst of all, it has convinced some moral men that it is the best alternative out of all the bad alternatives. And as the population shrinks, as 68% of American men remain single and childless, the system they once defended will just pivot to where the people are, histories will be rewritten, the ministry of Peace will continue waging endless wars from borrowed imaginary funds secured against payroll taxes as an IOU to Social Security Investments – literally funding the expeditionary capitalist project against the earnings of the very people whose labour market the fed is presently “softening” so workers become more desperate, scared and work for less. But never intervening to curb profits, and never regulating the powerful. Never taking away Employer power, always the mass of the workers. Even their homes are now owned by international hedge funds, bailer out by the same taxpayers, who are paying absurd rents because, hey, the market will push as long as it can push until something breaks. And break it will. All of it – from wokeism to corrupt politicians is a totally predictable product of capitalism itself. In its political form, Neoliberalism or classical liberalism, it claims the individuals are paramount. Be an individual, it says, so you have no group to help you and are completely at the whim of your employer, cut off from all manner of identity, from tradition, from family, an eternal menial worker cannibalizing others. The only identity that matters, it says, is whatever you want to be – self actualization – except that you can’t afford to be anything else than a worker, since your entire allotment of free time in which you are not obligated to go to work for your employer is a two week vacation, which, by the way, has to be approved well in advance around your Employer’s preferences, not yours. You owe nothing to anyone – you are an individual – don’t let men own you, don’t let patriarchy own you, don’t let your children enslave you to the stove. No, dammit, let your employer do all those things plus more. Don’t be a mother, be a menial worker whose entire identity becomes what they do. And then, when this caricature of an ideological charade generates Looney movements and identities, since it encourages you to be yourself, and some individuals proclaim they are so individualistic that even the sex binary is too collectivist for them, and they announce their own gender, the defenders of this self actualization safe only the harm to someone else system will blame “cultural Marxism,” unable to even notice the most obvious degenerate forms birthed of its own ideology, of consumerist materialist hedonism and narcissism, where even attention is commodified and fools run around selling absurdity for the few cents a click even at the cost of entire human Psyche. And thus *the* system of self actualization individualism pins on Marxism (its collectivist rival) even the sins of individualism and commodification, excess and social breakdown, alienation and perpetual conflict: all those things, the prevention of which was the very purpose of creation of Marxism. But who needs to read history – here, buy this book already. Take your 311 drawings offered by this neoliberal sage, who succeeded at some business, I guess, so that qualifies him to, at least, sell books for even more profits to desocialized zombies cut off from other humans and depending on Neoliberalism to fix itself – always by ways of creating a product that responds to a fear, which generates profits, exploits someone, and Band-Aids over the problem by creating a bigger problem so everyone forgets about the initial one and a bigger fear and threat checks the smaller.

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      Tim’s wife is funded by the same Elon Musk circle of tech and VC bros destroying our society (look it up, he health care start-up was lead funded by Calacanis’s Launch VC)…He didn’t forget capitalism, its exclusion, as his incessant whining about wokeness, is part of what he was paid for.

    2. Steve Avatar
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      Please add line breaks. Putting so many words in a paragraph is indigestible.

    3. DebraJean Avatar
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      So… what did you expect?? Peace on Earth?

  35. Advait Avatar
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    Great post, loved the Panic Monster reference!

  36. Jessica Andre Avatar
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    Tim Urban was a big piece of what started me on my path away from the beliefs I grew up with and towards what began to make more sense to me. This book challenged me in the other direction.

    I knew in the last few months, scrolling on TikTok or other places, that my thinking was becoming rigid, that I needed to hear from someone who I respected but still had different views than the ones I was hearing day in and day out. I could feel myself shutting down in conversation with people I knew were far right or people who made broad claims about race. I didn’t want to be, but I was finding it difficult to pull out of the motte-and-bailey that was created around me.

    This book has me thinking a lot about the ways I’ve seen SJF tear down perfectly well-meaning people who only had a question, concern, objection. JK Rowling comes to mind. Keeping my high-rung thinking is more than just a thinking exercise, it needs to be a learning exercise.

    Thanks for the book, Tim – it’s been a long time coming but I’m glad to have read it!

  37. Anthony C Avatar
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    As someone who has always enjoyed reading Waitbutwhy, although I’m probably more conservative than most of Tim’s audience, I really enjoyed his lengthy takedown of the illiberal left (I knew it was bad, but didn’t realize the extent!). What I learned from his book was that liberalism is much more important to me than conservatism. And it’s really opened my eyes to how both sides seem to really be into forced speech and banning books recently.

    As a teacher, I want the freedom to teach what I want without being compelled OR banned one way or another.

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    My first exposure to Tim’s musings was his blog about procrastination. I thought it’s was brilliant as it told the story of my business partner at the time perfectly.

    Then I read all his blogs about Elon Musk who I didn’t have a clue who he was at the time. Again, brilliant. So I bought a Tesla.

    So when this book appeared I thought yes, that will be good. And it is, in parts. But it’s way to long, and I mean way way way too long. I ploughed through it but did begin to skip sections as the book went on.

    As ever his sketches and ability to break things down and make complex issues understandable is brilliant. But jeez, how long do you need to go on about SJF. I began to switch off and yearned for a new topic.

    Whatever your next book is Tim, it’s got to be half the words.

  39. HeySoosLover Avatar
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    Tim, you’ve out done yourself. This, dare I say, manifesto is your magnum opus. I so appreciate that you’ve taken on wokeness and social justice fundamentalism as your cause – hoorah! – not many people could with as much wit, shrewdness, and wisdom, yes, wisdom as you. You’re right, too, if we don’t do something about SFJ, we won’t have space rockets or cool AI. It is the biggest threat to America, nay, the world.

    Think of the biggest problems of our times, the other ones, the secondary ones to wokeness. You can make a direct link between those problems and wokeness, or as you put it, SJF. I’ll make a list.

    -income inequality
    -homelessness
    -child hunger
    -climate change
    -biodiversity loss
    -mass extinction
    -women’s sovereignty over their own bodies
    -the rise of hate speech/violence
    -teen and adult mental health crisis
    -the peaceful transition of power
    -the rule of law
    -book bans and burnings
    -conspiracy thinking and weird religious fundamentalism
    -daily mass shootings

    What is standing in the way of any meaningful change on any and all of these? One thing: Wokeness. ALL of these – and more – can be directly tied to wokeness, I’m sorry, SFJ. It is the most important issue of our times.

    1. Steve Avatar
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      Two thoughts:

      1. I’m frustrated by Tim’s use of the word wokeness. The main problem is wokeness has many definitions, and the low rung right uses it differently. Is SJF a problem? Yes. But the low rung right applies that word to almost anything. They even applied to one Lego set with a disabled character. Lego figures that are disabled are extremely rare and have only come out in set in the past 5 years. That’s just representation, those sets usually include non disabled people like in real life.

      So Tim should’ve used a different word. “wokeness” belongs in the nonsensical terms used by the low rung right category, not as critique of SJF. Hopefully someone comes up with a word.

      Also, I don’t believe all the problems in the world (especially the ones you listed) is connected to SJF. I respectfully ask you to elaborate on the cause and effect chain regarding that.

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        Take mass shootings for example. A vast majority of Americans want a change in gun laws, like universal background checks and a ban on automatic rifles like the AR15. But the woke social justice feminists keep standing in the way. They vote for people who won’t change the laws and give money to organizations that promote gun violence.

        Or, take the rule of law, cornerstone of our democracy. Joe Biden and the woke social judicious fundamentalist dems keep on breaking the law, eroding our institutions and the constitution of the United States of America itself. Hush money payments, secrets on laptops, connections to Russia and Ukraine. How many people in Joe Biden’s inner circle have gone to prison? How many has he pardoned, like three already? This kind of wokeism is ruining our country and the constitution. If you’re woke, you’re protected by the dems.

        That’s why I side with Tim on this one. He’s accurately diagnosed the problem like a master diagnoser. He knows that the common thread through all the major ills of our time is wokeism. I can’t even say the things I really want to say about other races and religions anymore because of the woke left. Anyway, Tim should be celebrated as a hero for bringing attention to this core issue at the bottom of the pyramid under math and marxism and post modernism. He’s a genius.

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          I’ll address Biden first:

          No laptop scandal. I think that was disproven a while ago.
          Hush money payments? Where? Trump is the one on the news.
          Connections to Russia and Ukraine? Another low rung right conspiracy theory disproven.
          Joe Biden’s cabinet has been one of the most stable in recent history. Going to jail is the opposite of that.
          Trump pardoned like 50 people, 10 of which were criminals (some of them weren’t even convicted yet).
          “If you’re woke you, you’re protected by the Dems”.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnPuCJqRn4U

          He uses many high rung words common with Liberal Social Justice, is against the low rung right spercifically, not the high rung right, and makes many proclamations of unity consistent with Obama. Considering that he was Obama’s vice president, that’s not a surprise.

          And name me one feminist who also promotes guns.

          I like Tim as much as you do, and SJF causes some problems, but saying it causes all problems, even climate change and biodiversity loss I can’t agree with.

          1. Truther Avatar
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            Steve is definitely a brainwashed woke individual.

            1. Steve Avatar
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              That’s an ad hominem attack (maybe, I’m still not good at finding fallacies).

            2. Leland Best Avatar
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              No, when you’re that wrong, it’s not considered ad hominem…

            3. Steve Avatar
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              What? Sorry, not sure if you’re being serious. Please elaborate.

            4. Steve Avatar
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              Never mind.

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          Yes – exactly this! 😉

        3. HeySoosLover Avatar
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          For the record, that was a test.

          If any of you actually agreed with any of the bullshit I vomited up, it means you’re dumber than rocks. None of what I wrote makes sense. Tim’s book doesn’t make sense. It’s by far the stupidest, most try-hard thing he’s written. Replace SJF above with rightwing/corporate fascism and you may approximate the real problem in modern America. SJF give me a fucking break. Tim’s paid off by the tech douches to write this shit so they can slowly erode democracy. He’s the original Musk d*ck rider.

          1. Steve Avatar
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            I agreed with you in that paragraph until you started getting very anti-Tim.

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        In Tim’s defense, he does address the fact that “wokeness” is an ill-defined term, so he doesn’t use it much. Because of the book, I now think of wokeness as “progressivism at the expense of liberalism”.

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          Yeah, I’m glad Tim kept it to a minimum.

  40. Schnitzle Avatar
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    I had a big long comment but it got flagged as spam. Here’s my main takeaway

    “I, and probably WE need help! How can we talk about this? Even in a one-on-one conversation the notions are vast and hard to narrow down. Is there a way to summarize it that doesn’t get me labelled as a racist* in the first minute of the conversation (I’ve tried)? What do you feel are the 5 strongest points are that you can bring into a conversation to help someone see validity in our points? Even though this is a serious topic there’s got to be a way to bring one of your fun graphics or humorous phrases to lighten the mood of the conversation right?”

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      My main takeaways:

      1) Society is based upon the belief in an objective truth, and the belief that we can know the truth through science and reason. That’s modernism.

      2) Built on top of modernism is liberalism: belief in freedom of ideas, speech, markets, and equality of opportunity.

      3) Built on top of liberalism is a balance between progressivism and conservatism. Progressives and Conservatives should be free to debate whether society should change and how, but they shouldn’t mess with liberalism or modernism.

      4) In recent years, both sides have been trying to undermine liberalism by trying to get events cancelled, books banned, and speech compelled. But even if your intentions are good, those practices are anti-liberal and dangerous to society.

      5) if your ideas are actually good and true, then they don’t need the protection of banning opposing viewpoints. They’ll succeed as long as both sides get a fair shake. Thus if we truly believe in our ideas, then we should also believe that everyone should be free to oppose them.

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        These are great thanks! Unless i missed it in the book I’ve never heard of modernism before. Interesting!

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          I think you missed it in the book.

          “Modernity, as I mentioned, emphasized the notion of objective truth that anyone, anywhere could work toward using scientific methods. As philosopher Thomas Paine described it:

          Science, the partisan of no country, but the beneficent patroness of all, has liberally opened a temple where all may meet. … The philosopher in one country sees not an enemy in the philosopher of another: he takes his seat in the temple of science, and asks not who sits beside him.

          This idea was once revolutionary. In pre-modern times, it was common for different humans to believe in different denominations of truth—like, for example, the prominent religious doctrines, each of which had its own version of the truth. Modernity replaced faith-based thinking and divine authority with the idea of a single objective truth and a universal process for discovering it.”

          From Tim’s book.

  41. Brian Avatar
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    Okay, the book is launched. Now you can publish the print version. Please! We want to read and see your pictures at the same time, like how books work.

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    Are there any plans to ALSO create a print version? I will buy 20 copies at least!

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      There are several people I would really like to gift a print version to.

  43. Steve Avatar
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    Visit the Wait But Why wiki! I created this site dedicated solely to Tim Urban’s amazing work. Help us grow this site! It also has an idea lab for us to discuss this book while we’re waiting for the official one.

    https://wait-but-why.fandom.com/wiki/Wait_But_Why_Wiki

  44. Erec Avatar
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    Finished reading the book and was very impressed. What a heavy lift this must have been to create, and what a gift to a society that is struggling in some important ways. I hope it is widely read, shared, discussed, and understood!

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    WBW has profoundly changed and clarified my thoughts on several specific subjects and Tim (and now that I’m aware of her, Alicia as well) has become a human whom I respect and trust more than most when it comes to this sort of thing. He also seems like a better version of a young me so my ego gets a boost from his projects as well. Tim and all of Tim’s peeps: Congrats on birthing and nurturing a marital relationship, a blog, a book, and a baby.

    It makes me intrinsically happy to support this in a very small way by buying the book (probably on Audible because I’m too lazy to read — wait, why is that?) Tim is in my pantheon with Gladwell, Pink, Douglass, Stroh, Heifetz, and other upper-echelon ‘splainers who I’m probably forgetting due to the muck into which the dissertation process has turned my mind.

    Godspeed, Tim’s crew!!!

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      100% agreement.

  46. Felippe TM Avatar
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    It’s been an awesome read. Please consider a translation to portuguese! I wanna talk to friends about it.

  47. Steve Avatar
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    I wonder what, if any, posts you would make about parenting. It’ll be cool to see your take on things.

  48. alanawestwood Avatar
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    I would still love love love love a print copy. No matter how long it takes, I will buy one.

  49. bummed Avatar
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    aw its about politics booo.

  50. James Avatar
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    Hey Tim and friends, will there be a ‘comment section’ for the book? Perhaps even separated by chapters. As you articulate in your book, free and easy discussion of everything is a must in a liberal society, and the comment sections have historically been amongst the best places on this website for discussion and criticism where necessary of the blog posts you write. I think a dedicated discussion or comment section would be a great idea, ideally using our waitbutwhy logins instead of Disqus to ensure everyone can comment. We can use this comment section but its clunky and not obvious that it can be used for this purpose. Thanks.

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      I think he said he’s setting up a book club.

  51. PDQ Mozart Avatar
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    Love the book, Tim.

    Did you mean to duplicate “1992-2000: 0.78” on the chart in the “HYPERCHARGED TRIBALISM” section in chapter 3?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/250af6c06a04a87f10db985982aa7b155ba3b82f2ecbac254552e04796e4ac45.png

  52. Jan Doggen Avatar
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    Thank you.
    Wait But Why is major piece of work (I would even say: important) and I never got along to reading it completely – it needs *attention* to read, and for me these long blog posts were not the appropriate form.

    I’m happy that the book is available and that I can get through other sources than Amazon.
    (One year ago I completely killed my Amazon/AWS accounts and I refuse to ever do business with that company again beacuse of the way they treat their workers, the enormous amount of stuff they throw away, and their blatant copying of articles from their 3rd party vendors)

    A print version would’ve been nice, but I get your reasons.

    Again: thank you.
    Enjoy your life 😉

  53. Alacris Avatar
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    Tim, why didn’t you use a version control like git to manage all your files instead of creating that folder?

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      Because grepping it sucks

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    Tim, can you make an image of a trojan horse where the outside is, “What’s Our Problem? a self-help book for societies,” and the inside is, “A takedown of SJF”?

    In all seriousness, good job in delivering a message that your audience needed to hear (me included), which is that even if the lower left isn’t as bad as the lower right in what they’ve done to this country, it is more of our enemy than the high rung right.

    You did a good a job as anyone in making that case, as there are few credible messengers who can deliver that message with the ability to do a deep a dive as you.

    The SJF takedown deep dive might have worked better as a separate book/post, and could use some refinement. Some of the arguments are a bit of.a stretch and some of the accusations a bit sensationalist. And for god’s sake, you could have easily cut at least 20%.

    Nonetheless, congrats! Take a load off, and revel in the accomplishment. Cheers!

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      Who or what is an SJF?

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        Ahh, SJF is “social justice fundamentalism”.
        Found by way of @Blah’s review posted further down, 16 days ago (sorry no link because my phone won’t copy the permalink for some reason).

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      Perfect agreement. I may not like the high rung right but the low rung left is worse.

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    Hi Tim,
    Thanks for this book, what a labour of love! Well done, so thorough!
    I have worked for Tobi for almost 10 years as an Integral Coach in his company. It’s been a wild ride for all sorts of reasons!
    I wanted to offer you a few books and authors I have found immensely useful, and I noticed you don’t seem to attribute authors, and other books to read. So if you’d like some more reading, I think you’d have a great time with these. You’d have more drawings to do, and more logic to connect the dots with!

    The Chimp Paradox, A path through the jungle – Dr Steve Peters (great interviews on Diary of CEO youtube)
    Behave, A Primates Memoir – Robert Sapolsky. A legend in human and primate behaviour. Idea-lab grand master.
    Spiral Dynamics – Don Beck – a fascinating view of the development of social consciousness of us humans, easily too simple, fascinatingly on point.
    In over our heads – Robert Kegan – A spectacular book about adult development by one of Harvards great educators, and how the capacity for taking perspectives (the high rung) is formed.
    Beyond the messy truth – Van Jones – The 2×2 matrix high/low and left/right, and how to talk with people in the corners (how to connect respectfully).
    Integral Theory (A theory of everything) – Ken Wilber – A critical read for critical thinking, synthesizing many brilliant ideas and theorists over the millenia. One great concept with Integral: All truths are true and partial.
    Compassionate Conversations – Diane Musho Hamilton, a world-class mediator, and a Zen master (working with ‘what is’).
    Tribe, Freedom – Sebastian Junger (the two sides of collectivism and individualism, fascinating american reads).
    Enjoy!

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    Congrats! I must admit it’s been so long since the last post that recently I have given up on checking WBW website, but today something clicked in my brain and I said: Oh let’s see how Tim’s doing, and well, what a nice surprise! Congrats on huge both personal and professional achievements 🙂 Can’t wait to read it.

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    Hey there Tim. I’ve been listening to the audiobook version of the book. So far, at the very least you’re a pretty good audiobook reader, so I commend you on that. And I think I’ve finally finished the majority of the book, and I have to say… it’s not at all what I expected :/

    I was an enormous fan of “The Story of Us” because I feel like the concepts are greatly helpful, and were very explanatory. I was expecting a book where this was the primary focus, I could tell the ideas were more refined, but at the same time I felt like the you polished a gem so hard it became hard to appreciate it anymore. It felt like the nuance was lost, unfortunately. The fact I can no longer access those blog posts that had such nuance to them and all the visuals to aid in comprehension is doubly saddening, as well.

    But more importantly, these ideas weren’t what was the focused on in the book. In my opinion the teaching of these ideas in such ways would’ve been the right move much like the original blog posts, but it only composes about a fifth or a fourth of the book. And then the rest of the book is essentially about politics, where you covered each side in incredibly lopsided quantity, primarily focusing on SJF.

    Granted, I’m also heavily against SJF while trying to maintain higher rung social justice thinking, but the extreme focus on it without even a remotely balanced focus on the conservative extremist side (which I would’ve found interesting to analyze it through the lense of your concepts) as well as the progressive extremist side (which was analyzed at first and then simply gave dozens of examples with a somewhat minimal analysis, giving the impression that there was more emotion relating to this topic than it should’ve been, losing my interest with every single extra example) would’ve made for a much more interesting book.

    There’s a heavy bias in this book overwhelmingly against SJF as it seems to have taken up nearly 60% of the book, and as such it doesn’t present a useful long term idea. If SJF were to die down in a few years this book will be essentially useless because the useful long-term ideas make up such a short portion of said book.

    Gonna be honest I can’t give this book higher than a 6/10 because of how hyperfocused it was. The title is misleading as it’s called “A self help book for societies” but it’s more accurate to call it “A pamphlet for societal self help and why SJF is bad”. Which is fine as a book, but it wasn’t what was promoted nor what was expected based on the entirety of the blog of “The Story of Us” we were all attracted to.

    I feel like a strong second edition and separation of the book into more balanced portions where “The Story of Us” is focused on more, the conservative aspects are more heavily analyzed and given time while SJF is given less time (or at the very least equal time). As well as giving a proper conclusion that acts as a logical conclusion to the book instead of what we currently got. At the very least that’s the kind of book I was expecting and figured would have more public utility. Granted the conclusion is nice, but it would’ve been better if that was a muhc heavier portion of the book.

    I wish I could say more positives, but it’s just not a well balanced book that does what it proposes.

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      RPGgrenade, although your comment on the book is negative, it asctially makes me more inclined to read it. I don’t need a book that explains al the reason why the Right is wrong and crazy because they are already well known to me. A critique of problems on the Left sounds helpful.

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      I see your point and agree that if SJF fades in a few years the book will lose a bit of relevance in its examples (like a political joke from a decade ago). I do think the underlying social dynamics are nonpartisan though… the examples lean left but the tools and techniques can be wielded by either. I see it as Tim taking his framework he developed in ‘the story of us’ and applying it to real world examples to translate abstract concepts into tangible ones we can better understand. Maybe I’ve spent too much time looking at the left but I don’t see anywhere near the same level of institutional or societal corruption from that side. Not saying they don’t have their share of gollums or corruption but I tend to agree with Tim that the right’s gollums although terrifying are not dismantling the systems immune system (Although they try)

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      Fair critique. And I say that as someone who is between libertarian and conservative!

      + 1 on the need of a big editing. There are way too many examples on the SJF part of the book. Also, I was a big fan of the original series and definitely miss that nuance that was lost. There were many good points and jokes there that now are gone!

  58. David Wolfson Avatar
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    I was not able to purchase the Kindle version. Kindle only allows audiobook – which I don’t want. Also the Kindle reader link on the book page is broken.

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      Hey @disqus_lU0Q46mlzB:disqus — Amazon glitched on us this weekend & the ebook was down, but it’s back up now!

  59. Hen3ry Avatar
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    So many shady things happened over the last six years. Tim took to Twitter and free-floating opinion throwing while simultaneously posting here about the divisiveness of algorithms and the necessity of long-form writing. A post that was written not to be a book (because that way you reach more people) became a book. The Dinner Tables vanished. Old posts from the series, with all their comments, were lost. Somewhere between $100K and $500K of Patreon money flowed in.

    I wonder how much of this was intentional and how much of it just happened naturally. I suspect that most was *not* planned. As somebody said (but it doesn’t matter who), the life of every man is a diary in which he means to write one story, and writes another. Best of luck going forward.

    I haven’t read the book and probably won’t. It seems from some of the comments below that there isn’t really any solution there, at least not to the actual problem: getting people to higher rungs.

    A toast to lonely souls
    who never could take control of life.
    And all the missing we love
    I hope the darkness they find
    will give them light!

    (Hell Frozen Rain, Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, but really, doesn’t it fit here?)

    1. Hen3ry Avatar
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      Oh wow, I meant that new Dinner Tables stopped appearing, but it looks like they’re just gone altogether! The Dinner Tables part of the site is now broken, displaying just:

      [sitecreator show=”5″]

      [sitecreator show=”4″]

      That sure doesn’t seem intentional.

      1. Steve Avatar
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        Actually if you search up dinner tables on google the links are there. For example:

        https://wait-but-why-production.mystagingwebsite.com/table/monogamy

        It’s only the archives that don’t work.

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          Good catch! Still a sign of the overall brokenness of WBW, though.

  60. Max Avatar
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    Now that you have finished the book, are you writing blog posts again?

  61. Matteo Avatar
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    Hi! I bought the epub file on the website but I’m not able to load it on my Kindle in any way.
    Sending it via mail or with the “send to kindle” app has a limit of 50 MB.
    Anyone can help?

    1. Peter Pawrzsy Avatar
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      See this: https://leanpub.medium.com/a-crazy-little-hack-for-getting-large-book-files-into-the-kindle-app-on-ios-e9770624ccb5

      1. Matteo Avatar
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        thank you

    2. Alicia Avatar
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      hey @disqus_WRMOz4Appo:disqus – you have to use the amazon.com/sendtokindle as the web is the only Send to Kindle without that limit, and then it works fine.

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        Thanks Alicia. I see but I tried literally for hours because there was no link in the instruction file on gumroad, and I ended up buying it on Amazon directly. Could you please refund it this? I sent an email to wbw but got no reply. Thanks

  62. Nicolay Hvidsten Avatar
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    Hi Tim, I would like to congratulate you on an excellent book (just finished the Kindle version).

    I’d like to echo the calls for a physical print version – I would gladly pay a hefty sum for a paper edition. I tend to remember the contents of physical books more easily due to ease of access as well (e.g. thumbing through books in moments of leisure).

    It would also make a perfect Christmas gift for all my (unaware) neo-marxist friends ????

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      What exactly do you expect to happen if you give it to a leftist friend ?

  63. Jugdish Avatar
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    I love the concept of high-rung / low-rung thinking as an additional dimension to the left/right political spectrum. It’s super helpful.

    But it seems to me that a high-rung thinker is inherently disadvantaged against a low-rung opponent. To take your boxer analogy – if one boxer is willing to follow the rules and adhere to a code of conduct, and they’re in the ring with someone who follows no rules, fights dirty, takes cheap shots.. who is more likely to win?

    I think a lot of people would point to the 2016 presidential election as evidence of this. You have Hillary Clinton — a conventional politician, going into the debates ready to do the standard thing of talking policies, and win people over with high-rung arguments — faced with the epitome of low-rungness in Trump. His style of debate was name-calling, lying, physical intimidation, and stoking his base with chants like “lock her up”. And lo and behold, she lost. If only one side is willing to be high-rung, it loses to the low-rung, dirty fighter, because the general public is tribal and easily swayed by taunts and jeers that speak to our low-rung selves.

    In the wake of that election, you then saw a rise in populism in the left. New low-rung figures like AOC rose to prominence, who were willing to play the same game as Trump – name-calling, dunking on social media, over-simplifying nuanced issues into good vs evil. The left had learned from that painful 2016 loss that in order to combat a low-rung opponent, you have to play the same game.

    I’m curious your thoughts on this point – that being high-rung is only effective when you have a high-rung counterpart willing to speak the same language and engage in the same code of conduct. If the opposing side is entirely low-rung, they will destroy high-rungness, because they break rules, fight dirty, and know how to animate the lowest, most tribal parts of our brains. The inevitable outcome is a gravitational force pulling both sides into the low-rung depths.

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      Tim does talk about this in the book, and compares it to the Prisoner’s Dilemma – both sides are forced to play dirty once one side does it, and it ends up worse for everyone. The only way to break the cycle is for high-rung people to call it out and vote low-rung people out of office.

      1. Dawn Watson Avatar
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        The problem here lies in the assumption that Clinton is a high-rung person and Trump is not. Clinton is a known liar and panderer; she chases power and does anything (including throwing victims of her husband’s sexual harassment under the bus) to gain and retain power; and her views change with the political winds. In other words, she’s no better or worse than Trump.

        1. Steve Avatar
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          I disagree. Let’s start the debate from here.

    2. Glenn Avatar
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      To use the language in the book, I think the response would be that a sufficiently robust high rung immune system would keep the low rung behavior in check. But to activate that immune system politically you need an organizing principle, a political center of gravity if you will.

      And I’m wondering if this book gives us a framework that could serve as that center of gravity.

    3. Alicia Avatar
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      To respond to the boxing analogy specifically: one-on-one in the wild, a high-rung boxer would have a bad time, but with a crowd and a boxing arena/league* that clearly denounces and fines for cheap shots and won’t declare the low-runger the winner, low-rung boxing will no longer be a winning strategy.

      * (Does boxing have leagues? Just go with it.)

    4. Zack Glickert Avatar
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      The error in your argument is thinking that Hillary Clinton is using high rung arguments, or that politicians are even capable of high rung thinking. I see the Trump vs Hillary debate as more of a populist finally releasing the rage that so many people feel towards establishment figures like Hillary. Not a Trump fan personally, I just know that’s how a lot of people felt about it

      1. Steve Avatar
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        I think you’re too negative. I still believe that some politicians on both sides can be high rung. I still have faith in the system as part of my personal philosophy.

        1. Zack Glickert Avatar
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          Yeah maybe you’re right, but I don’t have a lot of trust in these people. Especially Hillary Clinton

  64. Vince Avatar
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    Hey Tim,

    I’m almost done reading your book. I love it. I’m European so I have an external viewpoint of things. A lot of your book is about denouncing SJF, which at first feels kinda weird. At first, I was wondering if I was listening to some “enlightened centrist” viewpoint.

    But in the light of the first chapters, it makes sense. Our primitive mind wants to classify the author as from the in-group or the out-group. Something I also recently learned not long ago but in reference to RWA (Right Wing Authoritarianism). But what you denounce in your book is very close to that, except from the political left. I am astounded as to what I have learned is being done in the American society. This sounds a lot like an ideological purge.

    I am still not entirely convinced about the American 1st amendment ideal that all viewpoints can be expressed like in a marketplace of ideas. Like in Europe you legally cannot support Nazism or any hate speech. I am open to the idea that it might not be the best approach though, and more open to it now that you’ve made a case that allowing open discussions about anything make it easier to debate and discuss ideas, even the worst of them, and rebut them. On the other hand letting fascists spread their poison doesn’t sound a lot better.

    At any rate, I wish you the best as you probably are getting a lot of hate from SJF side that will probably instantly classify you in the “enemy”/”racist” group. You have all my support, as I always have encouraged political discussion and dissent within my friends.

    1. Zack Glickert Avatar
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      I’m actually really surprised to hear about those laws. I’ve heard of hate speech laws but I haven’t really understood the extent of them. I definitely think that debating peoples bad ideas is more effective at combating them. Especially with something like Nazism, letting people hear their points will make it much more obvious that its a terrible ideology than if they were silenced. Love from America!

    2. Dawn Watson Avatar
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      Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and no such Thing as publick Liberty, without Freedom of Speech; which is the Right of every Man, as far as by it he does not hurt or countroul the Right of another: And this is the only Check it ought to suffer, and the only Bounds it ought to know.

      This sacred Privilege is so essential to free Governments, that the Security of Property, and the Freedom of Speech always go together; and in those wretched Countries where a Man cannot call his Tongue his own, he can scarce call any Thing else his own.

      –Benjamin Franklin writing as Silence Dogood

    3. Frank Avatar
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      I’m in a similar dilemma when it comes to Free Speech and the market of ideas.

      I’m from South America. At least where I live, I’d say we are more inclined, legally speaking, to the American 1st Amendment rather than the European way of seeing things (i.e. prohibiting ‘bad opinions’ like Nazism or mocking Islamism, both of which I’d rather allow).

      However, a real and current problem in this side of the world is communism. Yeah, that ideology that most of the world forgot about more than 30 years ago? Sadly, it’s having hell of a revival in countries from this region, where you have plain dictatorships like Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua and also supposedly liberal countries that support them in a lot of ways (see Mexico and Argentina).

      Not that long ago Chile, on of the most free and promising countries in the region, held a Presidential election. One of the candidates, from the Communist Party (yup, that’s a thing there) even proposed to control the press. Other representatives from the same party, who are in Congress, also tried to pass a bill that would prohibit certain kind of wrong-thinking.

      Personally I’m all about the American way of protecting free speech. I hate censorship of any kind of ideas, no matter how preposterous they might be. However, it’s just a fact that in order to prevent mad people like the aforementioned politicians to get elected, you need a healthy market of ideas, i.e, people educated enough to know that crap like Nazism or Communism, while PERHAPS interesting from a philosophical point of view, has no place in the real world of politics. You know, because of everything that happened during last century.

      However, if that healthy market is just not there, as it happens to be the Latin American case… the hypothetical danger becomes really tangible. And that’s how you end up with a new mid-30s-Germany or 60s-Latin-America. :-/

  65. Dylan Hebert Avatar
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    I’m hoping this heralds the return of the occasional article to WBW. It was always a great day when I’d check in periodically and would see a new interesting thing to read.

    1. asdf Avatar
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      I hear Scott Adams is looking for work. I bet he’d happily join Tim and Elon’s crusade against wokeness. Maybe he could work on this site. Then on the weekends they could all play dress-up in their white sheets and ride horses.

  66. Paul Avatar
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    Congratulations on the baby, and thanks so much for writing this. I’ve been looking forward to this for, well, six years 🙂

    I totally get not starting out with a print version, but I do hope you offer one eventually. It’s a good coffee table book and would be a great way to spark conversations with friends… plus sometimes physical books are just plain easier to read. Great work!

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      yeah I really hope he makes one eventually. idk if ill get the online one

  67. JakeDunnegan Avatar
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    I pre-ordered the Kindle version. When you mentioned, Tim, that there’d be more pictures and the best place to view it is on the website, I signed up and purchased it again on the website.

    I started reading it, and I was enjoying it so much (I won’t say I agree with every last little thing, and some of your sources are definitely biased in their own right) – but, I went and got the Audible book, so I could follow along on the website, while you read it in your dulcet tones. (Okay, I may be exaggerating by the “dulcet” bit…) 😉

    No, seriously, I don’t mind supporting a site like your that is trying to make a difference.

    I highly recommend the WBW version on the website, and I got an add-on for my browser to give it a dark background and it reversed the print color. (Voila!)

    There are a few typos, not sure if you already know about them, or have a place where we can send them in to you. LOVE your graphics. I swear, your drawing has gotten way better over the years, not to say that it hasn’t always been very enjoyable regardless.

    Thanks for doing your dangedest to keep the tone neutral and to try to present very thorny issues in as even-handed terms you can manage.

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      Please send me typos! alicia [at] waitbutwhy [dot] com 🙂

  68. Connor Avatar
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    Hi Tim, just listened to your Lex Fridman episode. Super interesting! There was one part I might disagree with though. At the end you talked about a vision for the future where people can live as long as they want. Just before that, you talked about procrastination. It’s a bit dark to think about, but I worry that with no “deadline”, a lot of people will procrastinate on their life.. As much as it hurts to say goodbye, maybe a lot of us really need the deadline to live meaningful lives. Do you think about this?

    1. Alex Miller Avatar
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      It will let us take on much longer projects but procrastination shouldn’t be a problem for those who don’t procrastinate now but likely will for those who do procrastinate now despite a looming end.

    2. Dawn Watson Avatar
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      Isn’t that sort of procrastination another form of Darwinism? Regardless, it’s no one’s business but the procrastinator’s. It’s not my job or yours to force anyone to get anything done. Such mindless worrying over other people’s behavior is exactly why authoritarianism runs rampant.

  69. Jugdish Avatar
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    Typo in drawing #23 at waitbutwhy.test/audio – It says FEMAL instead of FEMALE.

  70. Harsha J Avatar
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    Congratulations on the wedding, baby and the book!

    TIm, among the posts I personally liked the most – and the ones that built the following on this site were the ones about tech and science. Things like Fermi paradox, AI, the posts about SpaceX and Tesla, Neuralink etc. It would be lovely if you can pick up on those again and produce posts that break down complicated (and so so important) science/engineering concepts and make them accessible to the mainstream.

    The concepts in your book are important. But in my personal opinion, you have greater potential in popularizing science. You can become as popular and well loved as the great Carl Sagan if you keep on doing it. I do hope you start up again writing your posts on science eventually.

  71. isaackelley Avatar
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    Dang. If you decide to do a print version down the road, I will give you money and then I will read your book.

  72. Philip Avatar
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    Quick question, is the WBW version one infinite scroll or many pages in the website? Reading on a computer and a phone can be a pain if the page reloads and you need to scroll to find your place again (in which case I’d rather buy the epub, but I’d prefer the WBW native format).

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      It’s many pages. One infinite scroll would have been a nightmare, agree!

  73. Cian Avatar
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    So happy to see this come out! Very excited to read. Congrats Tim!

  74. Daniel Avatar
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    While I love Tim’s approach, I have difficulty understanding how the thinking ladder actually works. If a Scientist is after the ultimate truth, how can they move on the ‘what you think’ axis if there is one ultimate truth, hence one point to settle on this axis?
    I get that for Zealots the full idea spectrum is available. So shouldn’t the range of options go from 1 for the Scientist and increase as we move donw the ladder? Let me attach some images to explain my point. Did I miss something ?https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f84d479e836345f2dd8b21530930686d4317a67cd2c7ac0f47f2fd2779bd4ce.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ff485e76328ba079d2c034024c64dba2c428414a2054c8df3ecbb54a6ae78b03.jpg

    1. asdf Avatar
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      That’s the entire problem with Tim’s philosophy. He either doesn’t believe there actually is a “truth” on the What You Think axis, or that the truth is some “self evident” amalgamation of liberal values, the base of his societal pyramid (capitalism, free trade, Western modernism, etc.)

      That’s why his analysis doesn’t really say anything meaningful, or provide any substantive diagnosis of what our problem is, or recommend any truly insightful or wise prescriptions to improve society. He just tells us the way we think and reason is wrong, and getting wrong-er (due to human nature or technology or whatever.) We should all think more like a smart Harvard guy like Tim and society will be better for it… eventually… somehow.

      It’s the same point of view a lot of centrist capitalists have, which is why I can’t get behind his philosophy at all. He thinks our current American neoliberal capitalist dominant philosophy is the natural order of things, or the best option among bad options to run a society, and refuses to examine the base of his pyramid of assumptions at all. Endorsing any actual political position as The Truth on the horizontal axis is beyond the scope of Tim’s philosophy. He just cares about the vertical axis. Just think higher rung, bro and all will be well (now excuse me while my buddy Elon and I take all your money and guarantee our kids get huge inheritances, you dumb common low-ring thinker.)

      It’s an annoying and convenient dodge to avoid actually taking a position, something “enlightened centrist” assholes like Tim (people who believe they’re smarter than everyone else) think is wisdom but is actually its own special brand of arrogance and ignorance.

      1. Lars Avatar
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        If you find generic centrism annoying, then I can understand why Tim’s text would annoy you, but I think we should remember that Tim is not a political activist or politician. He doesn’t engage with real political issues because he is an entertainer, and this blog is meant for entertainment. We should read it if we find his analysis of society and the human condition entertaining and interesting. If it annoys us, then we probably aren’t the target audience.

      2. Thomas Hobbes Avatar
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        Respectfully, I think you are conflating two quite separate concepts: capitalism and freedom of thought and expression. These are complementary and mutually reinforcing forces in the context of western liberal democracy (cf Deng Xiaoping’s “Communism with Chinese characteristics” which has proven that capitalism with freedom of expression is still tyranny and fundamentally immoral). I think Tim’s thesis is that our entire system requires that we are free in all things (with limited exceptions for the maintenance of public order) or we are free in none.

      3. Nicolay Hvidsten Avatar
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        Found the Marxist!

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          do you even know what marxism is or what it means outside of it being a buzz word and or on fox news? you aren’t addressing his argument, which, to riff on what asdf said, is an annoying and convenient dodge than actually hearing or engaging with someone’s position

    2. Tim Urban Avatar
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      People thinking like Scientists are continually aware of how hard it is to figure out the truth. Science isn’t about knowing the truth, it’s a process of using the scientific method to better approach the truth over time. When you’re thinking like a Scientist, your starting point is humility, and you’re always open to changing your mind—you move around the x-axis as new information comes in.

      1. SBP Avatar
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        Can I quote this? It’s a tremendously useful thought!

  75. Stephanie Avatar
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    Congratulations on the baby!!! (and the book)

  76. bIah Avatar
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    It took me 3 days, but I finally finished the book. My initial reaction is 3/5 stars. I wanted to love this book, I really did. But man oh man is there a lot to unpack here.

    The good: The condensed/rewritten Story of Us is fantastic. The Thinking Ladder remains a well articulated and powerful explanation on how to think rationally. Many parts of the original series that were rough around the edges have been polished and refined. Tim’s shifted some of the metaphors around and made everything a lot more organized.

    The rest of the book tackles extremely hot-button issues on the left and the right, and it’s commendable at the very least that Tim had the guts to write something like this. Certainly almost any other topic would’ve been far easier.

    The bad/mixed bag: The book has a massive pacing problem.

    The rewritten Story of Us, including the later interludes, takes up 29% of the book.
    A dive into the “rise of the red golem”/problems on the political right takes up 7% of the book.
    A dive into “social justice fundamentalism (SJF)”/problems on the political left takes up a whopping 61% of the book.
    A brief chapter at the end for advice on how to move forward takes up 3% of the book.

    Every part of the book is briskly paced, except for the social justice fundamentalism part, in which the pace slows to an absolute crawl. It is a slog to get through and so much longer than every other part of the book combined that it completely overshadows the overall message. Tim has a ton of great points to make about the hypocrisy and problems rife within SJF culture. But it makes the book not come across as “a self-help book for societies”…rather, it comes across that all the society metaphors are just a quick set-up for his real message, a dismantling of SJF. I’d feel awkward recommending this book to some people because while the first third is excellent, the latter two thirds imply a specific political message. Tim straight up says at one point he’s trying to convince other moderate high rung leftists to fight back against SJF. This is a narrow partisan goal that takes away from the universal appeal and will probably make this book feel pretty dated in a few years.

    Tim tries to address this towards the end, saying it’s not important to his message whether the left or right’s golem is worse and it’s really just about low-rung thinking vs high rung thinking. But when nearly 9x more time is spent focusing on the left’s golem than the right, it comes across like there wasn’t even an attempt to make things balanced. (He even includes what is essentially a trigger warning before a list of unjust firings at the hands of SJFs, saying it may make you angry and want to throw your book across the room. It comes across as tone deaf when chapters before he was talking about how the right’s golem had catastrophic effects with low-rung tactics at the highest levels of government). A better approach might’ve been to make The Story of Us it’s own book and the SJF takedown a sequel.

    1. Elijah Avatar
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      I think that Tim as a solutions-based/evidence-based/‘high-rung’ thinker who also is left of center politically, he probably comes into contact/conflict with dogmatic/‘low-rung’ thinkers who are to the left of the spectrum significantly more often than dogmatic thinkers from the right. However for a book titled “What’s our Problem – A Self Help Book for Society”, it doesn’t make sense to spend 7-8x more time talking about dogmatic thinking on the left. Tim was writing about the dogmatic lines of thinking he feels most familiar with, but I don’t think that matches completely for a book about society’s woes in general. Especially when dogmatic populism is much more dominant in the contemporary Republican Party than the Democratic Party (especially when dogmatic thinkers on the right insisted on the falsity of a recent election and attempted a coup). Most of the Democratic membership isn’t listening the the Pacifica Foundation, they’re listening to NPR, whilst most of the Republican membership is listening to OAN or Tucker Carlson, not reading the Washington Examiner.

      1. Nicolay Hvidsten Avatar
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        NPR is entirely captured by SJF, which is exactly Tim’s point.

        I think you’re right about the problems with the Republican party, but have you considered that perhaps it’s more important to criticise the dogma present in public schools, universities, public institutions, and pretty much every major corporation?

        If things were opposite, and conservatives were indoctrinating children and taking over every major public/private institution, then I think a more balanced critique would be warranted, but currently SJF is capturing society, not conservative fundamentalism.

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          Of course, SJF is capturing society. This is why Roe v. Wade has been repealed, and books are banned from schools because (checks notes) teenagers kiss.
          Very obvious that SJF are indoctrinating children.

    2. Hans Nelson Avatar
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      It definitely feels like an SJF takedown because it is an SJF takedown. I don’t have any problem with that, but even so, I still like the idea of splitting it up into two separate volumes.

      There are definitely people who I would recommend the first half to that I wouldn’t recommend the second half to. Either because they’re not ready to hear it or simply because it’s not really relevant to them in the first place.

      And I agree that the variation in pace is a little disorienting. You can definitely feel the parts of the book that have been refined over long periods of time vs. those that are much more fresh and less refined.

    3. Glenn Avatar
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      The clear disparity in the space for discussion of the blue golem vs the red golem was jarring for me as well. My reflection was that the blue golem is more complex system than the red which would justify spending additional time describing that system. Reading between the lines somewhat I also think it’s likely that Tim felt it was necessary to more thoroughly lay out his arguments regarding the blue golem because a large part of his audience would have some resistance to seeing the blue shadow.

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      I think your analysis is spot on. I had pretty much all of these same thoughts.

      I imagine that when he wrote the original Story of Us posts, that he got a lot of feedback from people saying that equating the lower left with the lower right was ridiculous bothsidesism. Knowing his audience, and knowing what his audience NEEDED to hear, he used this book as a trojan horse to deliver the message that even if the lower left isn’t as bad as the lower right in what they’ve done to this country, it is more of our enemy than the high rung right.

      I think he does a good a job as anyone in making that case, as there are few credible messengers who can deliver that message with the tenacity as Tim to dig deep.

      Though it should have been a separate book/post, and could use some refinement, as some of the arguments he makes are a bit of a stretch. And for god’s sake, he needed to cut at least 20%.

  77. Elijah Avatar
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    Also, I find Tim Urban’s writing (in the ‘Story of Us’, I have not read this new ebook yet) a little bit ungrounded, as in he sort of just makes up words without relating them to established concepts or works. In the story of us he makes big pronouncements about the nature of human psychology and political systems, without actually relating very much of anything to existing concepts in the field. So ‘the Story of Us’ can basically say whatever, because it’s describing concepts entirely of its own invention without much proof.

  78. Edmund Hershberger Avatar
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    Accidentally bought the audiobook instead of the ebook in Apple Books, so I already paid for two versions. Now, I also want to read it on the website. Do I really need to buy this three times? Don’t get me wrong, I will, but not unnecessarily if I can avoid it.

  79. Joshua Ross Ketry Avatar
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    Really interested in Idea Labs. We have been working on AI that uses Swarm technology to put brains together. It is a new frontier, using the collaborative power of the internet with AI in order to highly align people and complete missions in the real world. Let’s get these idea lab book clubs going!

    1. Elijah Avatar
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      I feel this weird dissonance in the discussion of AI. On one side there’s people saying at some point any will be vastly more intelligent than biological life and will completely outcompete biological life in terms of energy capture. And on the other side are people saying AI is going to be very powerful, but humans will remain on top and be the makers of history (see Kim Stanley Robinson writings on this). I genuinely don’t know and am kind of worried about it. Will AI dramatically alter human life in the next 30-50 years? Like in terms of apocalypse or submission to a hive mind? Or will it just be a machine, with humans still making the fundamental decisions of direction. People seem to just assume one way or the other.

  80. Ujjval Goury Avatar
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    I wanted to buy the book through my audible account, but I don’t see this on Audible India. Can you please confirm if this will ever be released on India marketplace? I really wanted to listen to it. 🙁

    (Edit: I’ve bolded not to be some jerk, but just to emphasize on the main point. hehe)

  81. Ray Avatar
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    Ohh! That’s where the Political Disney Land series went! I loved the High Rung and Low Rung vocabulary and now I can’t wait to read more about how 2020-2022 has further refined your thoughts! Excited to give it a read.
    And congrats on the marriage and on becoming a dad!!

  82. Mark Avatar
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    i want a signed print version. sorry to be a pain in the ass

  83. CE Avatar
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    “There is not a print version, which I know will disappoint some people” is a massive understatement. I think this will reach less than half of its potential audience without this, and these are likely the people that need to read it the most. Tim, please, PLEASE make a print version of this book. I don’t think anybody is upset by it being released at a later date- that is way better than not at all.

    Someone recommended this already, but printing through Amazon looks like it makes things pretty easy-
    https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US

    1. Me Avatar
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      I very much agree. I will read it at some point one way or another, but it’s much more likely to happen soon if there is a print version. Indeed I’m not at all upset that it would arrive later, no problem, completely understandable. I am quite upset if it never happens at all though… paper books aren’t dead yet!

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    I can’t believe we all waited 3 years for your grand conclusion to be “Wokeism is also a big problem.”

    We all know about the right’s Fascism Golem, but look here, the left has one as well! Wokeism! Cancel Culture! Here’s two chapters full of examples of things that happened at liberal arts colleges!

    I’m profoundly stunned and disappointed that you strung us along with a promise of actually diagnosing what’s wrong with society, only to slap us in the face with boring, tired, bothside-ism

    No discussion about WHY we ended up here, or any analysis about the merits of different political positions. Just “think like a scientist” and we’ll all end up in a more rational, just world, like magic! Give me a fucking break.

    1. YP Avatar
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      would love to see an answer to this from the author before picking up the book

      1. nocando Avatar
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        Why don’t you just read the book and make up your own opinion instead of being swayed by one loud voice on the internet?

        1. YP Avatar
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          Because reading the book takes time and there is limited amount of it available. No matter how talented, the author is a voice on the internet too. Could he have created a logical framework that describes what’s happening in the society, yes its possible and it would be very interesting. Could he have created a framework that twists facts to fit itself like all the successful consulting companies do, yes also possible and not very interesting at all.

          I guess one of the strengths of an internet author like Tim is approachability that lets him compete with established authors whose work goes through professional critics. So I can ask him to respond to this reasonable charge as I evaluate if I should read this book or some other book

          1. Jugdish Avatar
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            You can get the audiobook for free with an Audible trial and listen to it while you commute, shop, workout, or do whatever else in your limited time.

    2. Edmund Hershberger Avatar
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      If that’s truly your takeaway, maybe you’ve missed the entire point of this philosophy. There are plenty of options out there for books that tell you the merits of political positions. This author’s entire point is to help you learn HOW to think, not WHAT to think.

      1. asdf Avatar
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        Simply saying “we all need to use higher-rung thinking” is a completely useless analysis. We all know this. Tim has nothing useful to say about why society’s dormant thinking has become so “low rung” recently other than “it’s the cycle of human nature, bro. Strong men create good times, which creates weak men, who create bad times. Just think better, and we might skip the bad times! Technology scary! Universe big!”

        His analysis is both bullshit and useless. Why does the cycle exist, what drives it? Why does he expect “thinking better” to solve anything? Are the two “golems” really equivalent? Well, one led an actual violent coup attempt to overthrow American democracy, and the other… got a couple college professors fired. Totally equivalent there dude.

        Maybe, just maybe, there are actual reasons WHY our society has been encouraged to devolve into “low rung thinking.” Maybe it has to do with the rich and powerful pitting the working class against itself so it can never unite against them? Maybe the Fox News propaganda machine and no-limit dark money super PACs have literally bought and paid for congress? Maybe the very nature of capitalism requires people to be exploited by having the surplus value of their labor taken form them by their employers, and the majority of people are forced to sell their labor and take on debt for their entire lives just to survive and are never able to get ahead, because the system REQUIRES the subjugation of the many by the few? Maybe that same system is literally poisoning and destroying the Earth’s capacity to sustain life and no one seems to do anything about it because capitalism requires infinite growth forever? None of this is addressed in the book, rather our problem is BOTH SIDES because “people are thinking low rung”. Why? Because human nature and technology too fast. Again, it’s total bullshit, and not a diagnosis or solution AT ALL.

        1. hotpotamus Avatar
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          Speaking of capitalism, this post had me wondering what Tim does to pay the bills for his family that he can take half a decade off his site (which I assumed was a significant source of income for him) in order to write a book.

          Also, I’d be curious for an update in the “Elon Musk: Uber Man or Uberest Man?” (snark is my default language, I apologize) series from a few years back to see how he thinks all that is going.

          1. bIah Avatar
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            This site’s Patreon page is what pays Tim’s bills. It was his full time job over the past 6 years to write the book.

            1. Lars Avatar
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              So it’s basically passive income from the older articles that keep paying out because people keep reading them? Nice. 🙂

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              Is it possible to see how much people are actually paying? Once it was visible, but now all I see is the number of Patrons and the percentage of stated goals (but not how much the goals themselves are, plus it’s like 2%).

        2. Globfth Avatar
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          Yep, this is what I was afraid this book was gonna be about. Hard pass.

          1. Jugdish Avatar
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            Congrats on taking direction from a person on the internet with the name “asdf” rather than formulating your own opinion.

            1. asdf Avatar
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              Congrats on successfully employing ad hominem, you cunt.

        3. JakeDunnegan Avatar
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          Did you read the book, Mr./Mrs./Ms. ASDF? Because, if you had, you’d know a lot of your “objections” are in there and explained.

          What’s interesting is you are someone who needs to read the book as much as anyone – and, likely, you won’t.

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          Zealot.
          Perfect example.

        5. carlesandres Avatar
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          Sooooo many words asdf. I think you should write a book that fills in all the gaps that you think Tim has left.

  85. Oliver Gormsen Avatar
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    maybe we – the fans – can make a GoFundMe or kickstarter to get this in a print version? Maybe part of the money from the sales could go to a publisher / editor so Tim can focus on the baby – and not making the dead tree version?

  86. Chris Sells Avatar
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    It’s a shame that there’s no print version — at least a print-on-demand version! I really want to purchase your book as a gift and the print version is the easiest to give, especially for people that don’t read online.

  87. MK Avatar
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    Congrats fam!

  88. Matt Avatar
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    Congrats on both your Babies!

  89. Leo Avatar
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    I would love an eventual physical version- I’m sure not anytime soon, what with the baby (congratulations by the way!). But this is something I would love to physically own.

  90. Tracey Soppanish Avatar
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    AMAZING!!! On all accounts dude!

  91. Paige Looney Avatar
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    Congratulations on your baby!!

  92. groberts1980 Avatar
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    It says “available on launch day” but I’m not seeing the book on the website. Am I missing something?

    1. Shubham Yadav Avatar
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      Probably not available in your country. Same for me,
      India

  93. David B Avatar
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    Will probably be banned in Texas, Florida, etc. They’ll want the print version so that they can burn it. Just joking…Seriously, can’t wait to buy and read! Congrats!!

    1. Splefth Avatar
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      Sounds like Texas and Florida will LOVE this book . . . . . .

  94. Janet  Avatar
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    Welcome back. I’ve missed your wit, wisdom, and weirdness.

  95. mmKALLL Avatar
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    I don’t understand where to buy the WBW version of the book. Maybe the text for it should have a link? Or add one into the side bar below the WBW store?

    1. Nick Avatar
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      Same, WBW version is what I’m after

    2. Odin Hørthe Omdal (odinho/Velm Avatar

      If anyone figures it out, tell us here 🙂

    3. Odin Hørthe Omdal (odinho/Velm Avatar

      AH, the title of WBW is actually *faded*. So it isn’t ready yet.

      I’d do the epub then, but bah, it’ll be black-and-white on my reader. I was thinking of trying to read the web-version both on my computer, but also on my ereader (it can kinda do websites).

    4. Flowman Avatar
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      Yes, please let me know, too!

    5. Tim Urban Avatar
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      The WBW version is ready! waitbutwhy.test/wop-contents

  96. Timo Avatar
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    hello hello
    got really excited when I got the email about this since:
    – it is a topic I am very much interested in
    – you are a great and funny writer and illustrator
    – I have many new perspectives since I last read the blog

    But sadly my reading routine does not include or accomodate screen based reading. Is there any way this book will be available in print in the future? I will happily pay extra because color etc etc and then some to fund your life because I appreciate you and your writing for many years already.

    Thank you! and good luck with the baby launch also
    Timo

  97. Nic Avatar
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    Tim, congratulations for having finished the book! Just a quick question, what do you mean by “Wait But Why” purchase option? I am not English native and I would rather have a text version rather than audiobook.

  98. kenckar Avatar
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    So excited and happy for you. Thank you!

  99. Nishanth Jay Kumar Avatar
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    So excited for this Tim! Very much looking forward to reading and engaging in interesting thinking and discussion 🙂

  100. Vic Ale Vin Avatar
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    Amazing! The email notification for the ebook I preordered some time ago came as I was reading this post… Went on and read the first chapter of the book and then came back to finish this post. I can’t wait to read the book, THANK YOU, Tim!

  101. eustas Avatar
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    How about a kickstarter campaign for a physical version of the book?

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      Agreed. Wouldn’t mind waiting longer for a print version.

  102. Amy Avatar
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    Where can I buy the epub file directly? It is not available on the Kindle UK store.

  103. Neil Avatar
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    I’ve never been so excited for a book release in my whole life :O

    And to add to the other comments, please do a print version (available in the UK too!)
    A full colour hardback ‘collectors edition’ style book would be awesome.

  104. TrillianDW Avatar
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    I love the idea of this. I only have a B&W paperwhite though and I know from experience that illustrations look pretty terrible on it. Congratulations on the book, getting married, and impending parenthood! 🙂

  105. P Low Avatar
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    Hi Tim. I’m so pleased to hear you’re having a baby. I always thought that content on parenting was distinctly lacking from wbw and I’m excited to see your thoughts on the experience. I was also a little worried that the life-upending drama and responsibility of having kids would crush a free spirit such as yourself (don’t worry, it will), but reading this I’m sure that it’ll just drive more interesting content. Big up! and Good luck! 😀

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      Oh God, I hope WBW doesn’t devolve into nothing but parenting- and children-related content. There are plenty of places to discuss parenting; I’d love it if this site could remain a child-free zone. Those of us who are childfree by choice find the topic exceedingly uninteresting.

      1. Jugdish Avatar
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        Thankfully, Tim is a person of integrity and I have faith he will continue to write about whatever interests him the most, rather than submit to audience capture by pandering to your demands of him.

  106. Alicia  Avatar
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    Massive congratulations! When reading the series I kept thinking how much I wished it was a book. I’ll be getting the Ebook, but if it ever gets published (fingers crossed), I’ll buy that too!

  107. Mickael Godard Avatar
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    Topic sounds amazing, I like the way you think and the way you communicate. Will definitely buy it tomorrow. I don’t have kindle or apple device… I understand I will be able to get the EPUB directly somewhere.

    Congratulations for releasing it finally!

  108. Paul Avatar
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    Cannot wait to read this book. Really hope you change your mind on doing a physical copy in the future. This is the sort of book I’d love to buy people as presents.

  109. Verónica Arcay Avatar
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    The Story of us was one of my favorite readings! I even did my own drawings to explain what I got from that Series. I am absolutely HAPPY to hear that the book is ready. I will go with the audiobook. I cant wait to start listening to it!

  110. Νικόλαος-Ιλαρίων Μοσχάκης Avatar
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    Wow! I’ve been reading through the “story of us” since it begun here on wbw and was really glad to hear it would be concluded into a book when you announced it. Years might have passed but I truly never doubted you would conclude your magnus opus and I want to wholeheartedly congratulate you for your achievement! All parts of The story of us were truly eye-opening and informative and I can’t wait to read “What’s our problem”.

    Congratulations are in order! You DID IT!

    Nick

  111. Eunah Avatar
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    Hahaha. This post hits home on so many levels! I first got to know you through your TED talk while I was in the middle of my PhD (and searching online for why I was procrastinating). It wasn’t until I was pregnant with my first child when the Panic Monster came to life. I finished writing my dissertation three days before my due date and less than a week before actually giving birth. ????

    I really look forward to reading the book… Just reading about the amount of work that has been put into this work is exhausting! LOL

    Congratulations, Tim!

  112. farrah Avatar
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    tim this is fantastic. i have been following you for over six years and ive been vaguely keeping up to date with the progression of the birth of your monstrosity – glad it will be born prior to your little monster – and this culmination is fantastic. there are lots of “societal” things that have been happening lately that have gone through a little brain loop of mine that looks like “hm this is an odd thing. why is this happening? i dont think i have enough necessary context to understand whats happening. tim gives great levels of contexts in his posts and i really like the way he makes sense of things. what DOES tim think about this shit anyway??” and now hopefully soon i will be getting some tasty answers 🙂

  113. jantje Avatar
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    Conclusion:
    It’s harder to make a book than to make a baby 🙂

  114. Eric Hays Avatar
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    Congrats on your book baby and on the birth of your child! Very excited to read it and I love the many options you’ve given readers.

  115. Andrey Lipattsev Avatar
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    My only question when you say “you can buy the mp3 directly”, is directly where? https://media2.giphy.com/media/3oKIPa2TdahY8LAAxy/giphy.gif

  116. Ron Blandford Avatar
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    OMG…you have a policy of giving out your book to people who can’t afford it? That’s amazing. I’ve always loved your work, but now I have a deeper appreciation for the values that stand behind the work. I”ll obviously be buying the book! Super excited for its releas.e

  117. Justin Sven Kujawa Avatar
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    I remember back when you AI post first came out and I moved from Arizona to Germany. I got off topic during my job interview and it turns out we were both hardcore wait but why readers. I’m pretty sure knowing about this blog (and finding the tortoise) got me the job. Thanks again Tim. I can’t believe how long it’s been.

    I feel a little bad I stopped my patreon after a couple years of no posts but I’ve seen a lot of stuff die over the years and not come back so my hopes were low at the time. We still love you though and I’m sure were all glad you pulled through!

  118. Tran Anh Tu Avatar
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    congrats on the book and the baby!

  119. Frank Avatar
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    Geez, so much for your readers’ critical thinking

    I posted a comment around here a couple of days ago, stating that while I personally sympathize with you and all the stuff you had to go through during last years regarding perfectionism, procrastination, personal issues, etc., the fact of going totally silent and abandoning this blog for good during three years, leaving all of your fans and paying patreons in a total wtf state and lack of answers, was far from being cool.

    Look, I get that your fans really love you (I do love your work too) — but the sudden joy of learning that you will soon be a dad and publish the damn book seem to have made them forget how uncool those three years of no updates on whether you were still alive or not were.

    Don’t you think that marking my comment as spam and making it unreadable is too much? It really leaves me thinking on how rational your public really are after all. Actually, it looks like a really nice example on how they look at themselves in the mirror and see the face of Albert Einstein, while truth is they are zealots or sport fans at best — and their church/football team is called Tim Urban.

    Again, you are welcome to disagree, but burying my comment and mark it as spam just because it goes against the narrative around here? Really? Isn’t it way too ironic considering the topic of your soon-to-be-published eBook and having read you ‘Story of us’ series?

    Anyway, hope I have better luck with this one. Have a good day you all.

    1. hmm Avatar
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      tim doesnt owe you or anyone anything – if the patrons on patreon didnt like the status of things they could have just stopped paying. it’s a bit odd to have expectations from someone you have no personal relation to who writes blog posts online. i get why you’d be marked as spam; leaving a comment whose point is to mark out “uncool” behavior is kind of not what this space is for

      1. bIah Avatar
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        This is the kind of thinking that leads to an echo chamber of praise. It’s perfectly reasonable to have expectations from someone who writes blog posts online if doing so is their full-time job, crowdfunded by their readership.

    2. James Avatar
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      Well that comment escalated quickly.

      Your first paragraph makes a lot of sense, then next thing I know we all belong to some church football league called the Einsteins because we’re okay with someone on the internet disappearing.

      He didn’t betray us personally, he’s a human being who stopped making
      posts on the internet because life got in the way – can you really be so
      upset with him for that?

      We aren’t Tim Urban mega-fans TM, we just like thinking about the ideas he presents and we’re excited those ideas are back… in a book no less! For free if you want it…

  120. Noobos Avatar
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    Im looking forward to the book! I will probably have it printed and bound, as I dislike ebooks. Individual book printing isn’t as expensive as i feared, even when full color

  121. Thibaut Taittinger Avatar
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    Sounds amazing and well-done for book and child! 🙂 🙂
    Just please pleassseee make (eventually) a print version! 🙂

  122. Sachet koul  Avatar
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    Congratulations on the baby and the book tim! Been a fan of your writing since forever ( I want to say 2013 but honestly it’s been so long I can’t remember)

    So happy for you. And more power to you!

    Will definitely buy your book once it’s out!

  123. Hans Nelson Avatar
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    Hi Tim! I’ve created a vodcast version of this blog for those that prefer to listen/watch rather than read your post.

    https://youtu.be/8nFCXUClBcM

    The narration is AI generated text to speech, and the quality is getting surprisingly good. If you like this audio-visual production, I would love to discuss making more of these directly available to your audience!

    1. bIah Avatar
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      While the technology behind this is cool and all, I think the reason you’re getting downvotes here is you’re publicly posting videos that rip off Tim’s work – acknowledging it doesn’t absolve the situation.

      As for the production itself – I think you described it best in your video description. It’s passable, but it’s not quite at the point where it resembles a quality reading of the post. My best guess is that Tim would have higher standards if he were to put out “official” audio versions of posts.

      1. Hans Nelson Avatar
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        I think you’re most likely correct that he’d have higher standards given his perfectionism, but it beats the hell out of having nothing IMO. And the technology is progressing so quickly that these will likely get to be very very good soon.

        And people here are free to downvote if they so choose. I didn’t see any of them taking on the initiative to create free resources for the community.

        I just knew that I’ve wanted audio options of Tim’s posts for literally years and only recently acquired the skillset to make them. And I knew I wasn’t alone in my preference for audio, but if Tim doesn’t want his work associated with these, I will gladly make them private and enjoy them by myself.

        But I’m also betting that, while this isn’t something Tim would make himself, he won’t see it as “ripping off” his work. Now that he’s produced a couple of audio resources himself, he can appreciate the effort that goes into creating them and the fact that they make his content accessible to a whole new audience.

  124. Susan Linehan Avatar
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    pre-ordered for Kindle, of which I have all varieties mentioned.

  125. Megs Bugbee Avatar
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    Thanks Tim for caring enough to invest so much time and effort. I’ve always wished you’d turn your posts into a book. You inspire me but I hate reading on computer screens.

  126. Andrew Avatar
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    Sorry but you lost me when you were trying to “help” rehabilitate musk.

    “Urban: but only if it would be helpful to you”

    Pathetic.

    1. Nabor Mendonca Avatar
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      You do realize that your thinking is exactly the problem Tim refers to in his book? Perhaps not.

  127. Jack Avatar
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    Tim, this means a lot to all of us. I never comment, but I would like to this time just to say CONGRADULATIONS for BOTH of your children- the book and the baby!

  128. FTM Avatar
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    Thank you so much for sharing this story with us! I empathize with you in this. Something similar happened to me. I used to be a optimistic and in 2014 things started to change, and since then I’ve been studying politics, and I got involved with social programs in my city.

    And then, you just can’t stop learning. The humanity sciences are so much harder than the natural sciences! Society is complex. My friend’s thoughts are complex. Family is complex. Talking about this topic – is complex. And then you learn about so much suffering and injustice. There’s no way of being a optimistic anymore. Things don’t just get better by themselves.

    In the last years I could feel in my own skin how hard things can get. I’m Brazilian, and we just had a president that was the most terrible president of our history (I won’t get further into this – but in a nutshell, he is genocidal, specially for the black, LGBTQIA+, poor, and indigenous people). And I think that most of the people that voted for him are not “bad” people. It’s… society. There are forces putting these things in motion that are too hard to understand.

    So I really want to read your thoughts and insights on this. I always loved your posts, but I never thought that you would try and write about a topic of such complexity. And I’m so glad you did! Congratulations for all this work. Can’t wait to read it.
    Best Regards.

    1. Frank Avatar
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      Funny. With all due respect, your post is a perfect example of the stuff that has gotten so wrong in the last years. So much post-truth and lies.

      You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Bolsonaro genocidal? Hyperbole too much?

      I get that a lot of people don’t like Bolsonaro, the same way that a part of American population don’t like Trump, or Sarkozy, or Trudeau or any political for that matter. But none of them is close to be some sort of post-modern Stalin FWIW.

      I hope the book helps you regaining some of the rationality and critical thinking that politics during the last decade must have taken away from you.

      Best regards!

    2. Nabor Mendonca Avatar
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      If you expect to find confirmation to our own political bias in Tim’s book, prepare to be disappointed. But I suspect you’re gonna filter out everything that goes against your political views and come out in the end firmly believing that the book’s on your side. The irony.

  129. Scott Avatar
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    Congratulation on becoming a father, and for finishing the book! I’m looking forward to reading it. Now focus on your family for a while. 🙂

  130. Joey Avatar
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    Very excite !

  131. Dominik Avatar
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    Some weeks ago, I remembered that I never finished reading the series. Chapter 10 “A sick giant” was still missing in my head. So after many months I came back to waitbutwhy.test for the first time, but couldn’t anything about it. What happened? Strange.

    A few days later I tried again. The website appeared to be down/offline. Even more strange.

    Today I read your mail about the book. I became angry: Thanks, Tim, you took everything offline without any warning to make money out of people like me who just have to read the last chapter? So I visited this website to write you how disappointed and angry I am.
    But before that I read this post.

    And now? I ordered the book, looking very forward to it! Thank you for investing your time and energy in this project! I’m sure it is worth a lot more than the few dollars (or euro in my case) I have to pay for the book. Any anger disappeared immediately by reading the story behind the book.

    I wish all the best for baby, mother and father.
    For me the birth of my son was by far the most important, precious, and exciting moment in my life, and I guess it will ever be (ok, let’s see what kind of experience my death will be…).

    1. Jason Gallagher Avatar

      I too recently went to a saved tab to finish reading chapters I had not finished and even to recommend to someone. I was definitely disappointed the series had disappeared. I understand the probable reason for taking it down, but I think there was room for it and the book. Regardless, I appreciate the story behind the book. Tim always does a good job of explaining what’s up. Thank you Tim.

  132. Anisha Godha Avatar
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    Trust me, I’m uber-thrilled to see this coming but why why why would you remove ‘The Story of Us’? I procrastinated on finishing that one, and you can’t possibly be punishing us like that right now 😐

    1. Ben Avatar
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      It sounds like the book includes a revised version of Story of Us. And you can even get free access to it if you can’t afford it by emailing them.

  133. Hassan Lawal Avatar
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    Finally!

    Happy days!!

    Looking forward to this!!!

  134. Archana Avatar
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    Congratulations Tim on multiple counts – marriage, book, fatherhood and last but not the least, upcoming awards and recognitions for THE book! You are going to be big n famous!

  135. Patrick Avatar
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    Bravo !
    Procrastinateurs de tous les pays , unissez-vous !

    I have just preordered your book
    I feel compassion with your process
    I share it
    And trust my expérience (2 young kids), you made a very good choice with a deadline before birth
    Enjoy those moment of grace ????
    We are still mamals plus soul , And those moments are worth living

    I look forward reading you

    Thank’s for all

    Patrick from France

  136. Luc Peyrin Avatar
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    Now the `wait but why` question is finally answered, for us readers: wait for the damn book !

    Also, congratulations on getting it out, and for your marriage and first child!

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    Congratulations on becoming a father! Kids are fantastic! Don’t book other stuff than family, you’ll be sleep/energydeprived in ways you haven’t experienced before.

  138. gynther SCHIDLA Avatar
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    hope your book will be tranlatet to german soon !

  139. Alacris Avatar
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    Congratulations on the book(and the kid!). Very excited to read it. I was hoping it didn’t release directly in the midst of my exams tho

  140. Chinar Lathia Avatar
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    I find my quirks in you and I relate a lot to your blog/thoughts. I find that you give words to my feelings/my expressions (which I am not able to) and it makes your blog such a cathartic read ❤️.

    Congratulations on both counts, finishing the book and on becoming a father!

    Have a lot of things to read and your new book is added to the readlist. Hope to read it soooon.

    Lots of love, CL

  141. David Call Avatar
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    Can’t wait! Been a fan of the site (the curiosity, the combination of macro and micro thinking on topics, the drawings, the humor, the approach, the lack of spelling and grammar mistakes, the concept itself). Pre-ordered on Kindle when you first announced this, and just now on Apple Books for my iPad since it’s apparently the better reading experience for this one.

    So glad you do what you do, and that you dedicated what it took to do this. Someone had to. I hope it sweeps through the consciousness of our society and helps shine a light on what we face if we don’t fix things, and puts everyone in “come together and make things better” mode. So before I even get into it, just…..thank you.

    Side note (edit: this doesn’t feel like a side note anymore): June 18th, 2016, was my 33rd birthday. My kids’ mother had just filed for divorce, when we weren’t married, after I ended the bad relationship. I was less than a month away from a 13 day trip to Iceland with my best friend. I was scared, mostly broke, and bewildered by an unknown future of fatherhood and financial security. From there, things only got worse for some time, but today I’m in a great relationship of 5 years, I’m very financially secure, and surrounded by loving friends, family, and, often, my boys, to whom I hope to impart my love and appreciation for life and connection. And just yesterday, I filed to take primary custodianship of my 10 and 12 year old loves of my life. They want to be with me and let me provide their home base, and it just feels so good to know they love me as much as I love them.

    I don’t know why I felt compelled to share that here, with you, Tim, and with all the strangers here. I think knowing you’re a dad now, and looking at everything that’s changed in your life from June 18, 2016, to now, I felt compelled to share that I’ve had to endure some pretty terrible battles between then and now, and I’m glad we’re both feeling complete and victorious. Onward. Forward.

  142. Bleak_December Avatar
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    Hi Tim

    First of all, thank you for your dedication.

    I am a fan of Wait But Why, and have been reading your posts throughout the years. Wow, years. You got me “introduced” to Elon Musk back in the day, when well, he was not all over the place. I enjoyed a lot all topics you cover and the upcoming book seems to be the central piece (count me in).

    I am few years older than you, same generation, and despite I am not in the US, for some reason I relate a lot with you, your posts help me in some way go deeper in my thoughts, so again thank you! Parenting is hard, more than you can imagine, I only hope we can still read you 🙂

    Ps. Congrats for the baby! I became a father 3 years older, and still struggling

  143. fun_bobby Avatar
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    Pre-ordered! Congrats on completing this mammoth task. Your blog The Tail End affected me in an awesome but horrible way – “300 days left to hang with mom and dad” – this really changed my perspective so thank you. Hopefully this book hasn’t eaten into your tail end too much and you still have plenty of pizzas coming your way. On the flipside, 100% of your fatherhood experiences are ahead of you, so that’s something.

  144. Kenneth Sosne Avatar
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    Now that you have the audio and soft copies out please aim for a real print book. I like holding a book and use as little technology as possible since I retired from full time paid professional work. Being tethered for 10 years plus 24 x 7 was too much. We even turn our cell telephones off and use a landline. If you want to find us leave a message we do call back. Not sure how long for your paper version but with a little one your house will be turned upside down. Good luck.

  145. Kevin Avatar
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    I’m a ninja reader, I read without commenting, but on this article, I would like to congratulate you on your family which will grow and for your book which I will buy in paper format.

    My best wishes for the future

  146. Birgitta Ericsson Avatar
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    So glad to hear about the baby. It will be born within days of our grandchild, but they are unlikely to become friends due to living in different continents.

    I would buy the printed book if it existed, and I hope it will at some time. Meanwhile I hope I can find a way to read the electronic version.

  147. Claude Perot Avatar
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    Très enthousiaste à l’idée de te retrouver cher Tim . Comme quoi le temps passe bien vite quand on est dans le train. Looking forward to read your ideas about our foolish society .

  148. Boykie Mackay Avatar

    Great to see you back! Looking forward to digging in when the book comes out.

  149. monika Avatar
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    Yyyeeesss, i’m so looking forward to it! For you: Good luck and all the best with and for the baby and your little family! What a ride…

  150. Leo Avatar
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    Wow, no physical object. That’a tough. Please release an actual book. The hard work has been done, releasing an actual physical book will be easy. Let’s go

  151. Dylan Murphy Avatar
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    This is brutally familiar.
    You have always been an inspiration and at some point I made everyone I know read your AI posts. I had a Eureka moment reading Dr. Sapolsky’s book Behave in 2017 which triggered an avalanche of understanding that left me babbling about dopamine reward and saving the world and drove everyone around me nuts.
    In 2020, after George Floyd I spent 6 months writing Why (The world is so F***** up) & What (To do about it) in book form and then in video screenplay and it was so damn convoluted and dense no one could read it and my video edits just had too much damn information.
    I finally threw it all away and started again. This time it is the Human Climb.
    I’ve just eliminated 80% of everything for clarity. I am supposed to get it up this week. God, please let it be so.
    Either way, I had forgotten how much you inspired this whole thing in the first place and I can’t wait to read your book. It will be good to have you back.

  152. Markus Avatar
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    I never posted anything anywhere. I even gave up hope to read anything in the quality of the good old WBW days here again. But your story of what happened the last six years is something I can absolutely relate to. A whole lot has happened. A freakin’ ride is also in front of you 🙂 All the best, Tim, for your journey of becoming a dad!

    I just pre-ordered the book! Am so much in for some good reading on the bus when I commute to work!

    You’ve always managed to spread your awesome positivity about the future in your posts, many topics that truly gave me more options in my thinking than just the easy “it’s all going down” attitude. Thanks Tim! Keep it up!

    All the best wishes from
    Stockholm!

  153. A Fanboy Avatar
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    It has been a loooong time.
    I am glad you’re back. The term “superhero” from another comment captures it!

  154. Jack Avatar
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    Hey Tim

    As others have mentioned I won’t be buying your book because it’s not available as a book.

    In part it’s not personal, I don’t any buy non-fiction books in non-physical formats. But your book specifically sounds like a pretty poor digital experience, because the images seem important.

    I would have pre-ordered a physical book even if there were a delay. I still will if you make one in the future.

    1. Brenna Cook Avatar
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      Did you click the link he shared showing you how the content looks on various devices/sites? The sample shows a writing with a drawing. I’m sorry you are missing out because you can’t be bothered to try something new or look at a link.

  155. Radu Avatar
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    When I saw that notes folder and read that he’s writing in Word, I thought “here’s someone who could really benefit from using emacs with org-mode”. It would’ve knocked months off this project.

    1. Frank Avatar
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      You mispelled vim.

      1. Radu Avatar
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        Evil-mode in emacs is the best of both worlds if you need org-mode but want vim keybindings

  156. Zoltan Avatar
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    Sounds like a true save-the-world-and-sht superhero story. You’re our best hope. Thank you!

  157. S. Noble Avatar
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    Fantastic! Incredibly relatable for me. I’ve been birthing my own mega thing for the last 30 years and can sympathize with so much you’ve said here. So well said. Congratulations on this and looking forward to listening to the book!

  158. Muriel Nally Avatar
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    I’d been wondering why your blog posts had dried up. Now I know! Looking forward to reading the book. And congratulations on your marriage & impending fatherhood. I’m sure that will create a whole new set of blogs!

  159. Jess M Avatar
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    Tim I’ve been checking waitbutwhy website for over 8 years like: “did something new come out?No? F5! Still no? Oh well..”

    I haven’t really followed anything else out there as diligently.

    I have great expectations from this book and I fully expect you to overshadow Yuval Noah Harari.

    Can’t wait to get my hands on your new book!

  160. Manjari  Avatar
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    Have been following you from India, mainly because you sound like a kindred spirit:) procrastination is an art, if you think positively…..waiting is the way of life as it passes by quiety most of them time, yet can jolt you from any slumber ..congratulations, by the way.
    I wonder when the book will be available in India, was tempted to sign up for the free read, but what the heck!!! You have spent six prime years of your life on it, spending a few bucks , I owe you as a reader who has had vicarious pleasure of going through your works. Ready to wait, without why!

  161. Rajvir Daniel Singh Avatar
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    Glad to see this finally completed, look forward to reading it and joining in on Idea Labs, to join an interesting book club.

  162. Michael Arrowood Avatar
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    Glad you’re back! I do want to read your book, so one simple question: what is the best way for us dinosaurs who use desktop computers exclusively to read it? I don’t want to read it on a tiny phone screen, I don’t have a Kindle, I don’t have a tablet, I don’t read ebooks… Is there a version for me? Thanks! (And thanks for all those years of work, not to mention your great previous posts.)

    1. Павел Шут Avatar
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      There are ebook readers for desktops, for example a free one Calibre for any OS or built-in Books on Mac. I’m sure you can find more by googling “ebook reader for {your OS}”

    2. Flow Avatar
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      As far as I understood, for dinosaurs like us, it’ll be available on the WBW website, right?

  163. Mohit Avatar
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    Hey Tim
    Congratulation for the book and becoming a dad. Have been looking forward to this for years.
    Is this book only for US?
    Can’t order right now on iBooks from India.
    Also, is it primarily about the American society or just society?

  164. stian Avatar
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    So stoked!!!

  165. Dana Baden Avatar
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    Sooo exciting to read this! I have just thought of you literally two days ago thinking oh wouldnt it be nice if he posted some new ass post! A book? Excited and grateful for you! Can’t wait (your fan for almost 10 years)

  166. Mehmet Murat Ozbek Avatar

    F- Yeah!
    And double congratulations!

  167. R3n Avatar
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    Hi, is preorder or the book itself available in all region ? I cannot open it in Apple Book because it said not available in my region.

  168. Matt Hanrahan Avatar
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    EXCELLENT work Tim! Congrats on the book and baby!

  169. Ben Johnson Avatar
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    Congrats, keen to read it!

  170. vipin bhasin Avatar
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    I cannot explain how glad I am to hear from you again! 🙂 🙂
    Heartiest congratulations on finishing your book!
    And expecting you to disappear again as the baby is coming pretty soon… Ohh you are going to have so much fun, work and everything else will completely take a back seat… 😀
    FYI, YOU got me hooked on to reading again in 2018. I had forgotten this art the day I graduated in the year 2003. Now, in 2023, I cannot go a single day without reading… 🙂

    Thank you! Be yourself! You are the best! Bye bye!

  171. Hannah Avatar
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    Congrats Tim on your two soon to be birthed babies (book baby and human baby)! What an exciting time 🙂 I plan to buy the audiobook on Spotify and will probs buy an e-book version too.
    Btw I hope we get to see some posting about your experiences as a new dad!

  172. Chris Sells Avatar
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    I know what it’s like when a book takes over your life. it happens when you can’t not tell the story, which is clearly what happened to you. thanks for sticking with it; can’t wait to read it!

  173. hevangel Avatar
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    Wow. You are still alive! Welcome back

  174. AlfredoDiego Avatar
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    Just to make sure on the 21st we’ll see the book available with the rest of the pdf files at :https://waitbutwhy.gumroad.com/?ck_subscriber_id=2058124729&utm_campaign=Welcome+-+5555848&utm_medium=email&utm_source=convertkit

  175. Rashi Rastogi Avatar
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    Can’t wait to read it!

  176. Rashi Rastogi Avatar
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    Can’t wait to read it!

  177. otto17 Avatar
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    So with this graphic above…
    oooooooooooooooooooooooooo Feb 21, 2023
    ………………………………………………….Book launch
    oooooooooo March 7, 2023
    …………………. Baby launch

    …are you telling us that your book was cut short?

  178. Ken Black Avatar
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    Tim,

    I’m happy to know that there is another “committed” person like me. In late 2014, I started an innocent journey down into the Global Warming rabbit hole.

    Nine years later, I’m still exploring the topic, having made many fascinating data-driven insights.

    Your story about this book reminds me of my journey. Whereas you wanted to uncover what is wrong with our society, I wanted to uncover the truth about global warming.

    After processing billions of weather data records and building a global warming simulator, I now have my answers!

    My wife thinks I should have been “committed” to the psych ward years ago.

    Congrats on your monumental accomplishments!

    Your big fan,

    Ken Black

    https://datablends.us/climate-change-quantified/

  179. Vera Sokolyanskaya Avatar
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    Can’t wait for your posts on parenting!

  180. Chandra Bindu Avatar
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    Wow I am so happy to read this. Thanks for coming back into this world.

  181. Joseph Admin Avatar
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    shit, shit shit, it’s happening, it’s happening !!!!!!

  182. jake b Avatar
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    I remember reading the BFR and tesla stories in highschool, and sounded generally unhinged talking to my friends and family until they actually happened. It seemed like the exciting and sparkling stainless steel future that I was reading about on a goofy blog was happening. I graduated college last year with an engineering degree and a more pessimistic outlook. I am excited not only for a long awaited return from this blog, but what sounds like a book aimed at the things I worry about now, overlapping messy human systems, that are somehow more difficult to solve than technical challenges.

    -congrats!

  183. Steve DeHaven Avatar
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    I just pre-ordered it. Felicitations on your upcoming parenthood. Please run for President.

  184. Ryan Tanaka Avatar
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    Fantastic. Looking forward to reading. Congrats on finishing. Take that monkey!

  185. Mickey Avatar
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    Thank you! Well done.

    Good luck to you and your wife with parenting — it is, of course, a lot of work. But it is also an absolute riot 🙂

  186. James Buchanan Avatar
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    An automatic “yes” Audible purchase for me; reminder set for 2/21…!

  187. SageMagos Avatar
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    Thank you. Thorough is a gift. You are my all time favorite genius.

  188. Anshul Aggarwal Avatar
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    I’m so ridiculously excited for this

  189. AnnaQS Avatar
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    Aaaaaaaa finally you’re back! Congrats on the family!

  190. johnwann2002 Avatar
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    Did you take down all the posts from this series? I was in the middle of it then I got a 404 error. I understand why you might, I just want to stop looking for the posts if they’re gone. Thanks!

    1. Tim Urban Avatar
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      Yes (because 25% of the book is a much updated version of the series) but email alicia@waitbutwhy-2024-production.mystagingwebsite.com and she’ll send you a link to continue reading.

      1. Steve Avatar
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        They’re also availible using internet archive.

  191. amiga Avatar
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    I am so glad you’re back and can’t wait to dig in your book.

  192. Ekaterina Belskaya Avatar
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    I wish you spent time on making the print version instead of the dark mode version for wbw.

    1. Be Li Avatar
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      I don’t understand why every site needs a dark mode when there are browser extensions for that which work fine, even on the smartphone. One might need to use a different browser then the default browser, which supports extensions, e.g. Firefox.

  193. JakeDunnegan Avatar
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    Been with you the WHOLE way. Can’t believe it. I can’t believe I’ve been following this site for something like eight years!

    Congrats on the baby! It’s life-changing, amazing, amazingly difficult, and amazingly gratifying. Just ask Elon! He’s a big proponent of baby-making! Errr…and baby-raising, I imagine. 😉

    Hope to see more of your quick takes in the future as well. You have a fantastic writer’s voice (I don’t mean audible, but rather, your voice comes through, profoundly, in your writing) – can’t wait to read the book!

  194. Cornelius Avatar
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    Glad you surfaced!
    Have been waiting patiently since the story about us. For friends, family bookshelves I will buy about 10 copies…in print. I can gladly wait som more just knowing this juggernaut topic surfaced along with you! Good job!

  195. BillMontreal Avatar
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    I was going to order the book but the Instant Gratification Monkey made me shop for tee shirts instead.

  196. Induna Avatar
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    Tim,
    As a WWII survivor, I have been writing about today’s society since 2010 at http://www.soccos.com. It started out with several articles a year but has petered out to I think maybe one, this year. You can study the archives. Basically, I think the world has gone stark raving mad, and I will sit back watch society repeat all the mistakes of history and for which they appear to be entirely ignorant. I live by the Victor Hugo quote, “Our mind is enriched by what we receive, our heart by what we give.” A pity we can’t all live by this.

    1. David Call Avatar
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      Your perspective is very interesting (in a good way) to me. I’ve often heard that “This madness is no different than [fill in the blank with another issue decades ago], you just don’t remember that one, but I was there.” Even though it’s anecdotal, it’s somewhat comforting to hear that this societal madness is indeed unique in some ways and needs addressed.

  197. Barbara Avatar
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    Wow, I can not wait to read the book! Congratulations on your book, your marriage, and your baby! I am glad you’re in the world. 🙂

  198. trapezeandcarrots Avatar
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    Congrats! Love your posts and can’t wait to read it. (And congrats on impending fatherhood!)

  199. trapezeandcarrots Avatar
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    Congrats! Love your posts and can’t wait to read this. (And congrats on impending fatherhood!)

  200. Pat Avatar
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    Pre ordered and looking forward to it! Thank you for your perseverance despite all the set backs. I consider you a fucking genius and your work is important!!

  201. Darryl Avatar
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    Congrats!

  202. Anberel Avatar
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    I don’t even remember signing up for your feed, but here I am the proud owner of an ebook preorder. This topic has been very much on my mind and I have had a similar difficulty expressing such a large and multi layered idea. I’m looking forward to reading your book so I can quote it to people and say, “This is exactly what I’ve been thinking.” Congrats on all your life accomplishments and good luck with being a new parent. Thankfully babies grow up faster than books.

  203. João Pedro Avatar
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    wish you kept writing about fun shit like the fermi paradox instead of whatever this is. leftists have known what are the threats to democracy and the things hampering a utopic future for hundreds of years now, and way more qualified people than you have written about it. your liberal perspective is not groundbreaking and can be seen weekly on the new york times op-ed section. your bootlicking articles on elon musk have aged terribly and I’m sure that uncritical view towards capital will continue in this latest self-indulgent project. what a shame this website has been left to rot for 6 years. you had a real good thing going, picking interesting topics and writing about them with some real wit.

    1. Pat Avatar
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      Joao,
      Maybe give Tim another chance. He may surprise you. His series of the Story of Us was very neutral politically. I’m conservative and had no problem with how he was approaching some very sticky topics. We as a society are in terrible danger and we need to figure shit out soon. We can’t afford our rigid tribal thinking anymore.

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      Leftists ARE a threat to democracy, and I don’t think you understand the true meaning of the word ‘liberal’.

    3. Nabor Mendonca Avatar
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      Your thinking is exactly the problem Tim refers to in his book. The irony.

  204. JT Abate Avatar
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    So glad you’re back Tim!

  205. marguerite Avatar
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    An auspicious date for emerging from (?) such a deep rabbit hole because it’s the Year of the Rabbit! (Tibetan calendars seem to vary slightly from the Chinese view but close nonetheless).

  206. commenter Avatar
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    Print it! Print it! Print it!

  207. SATAN IMPERIAL Avatar
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    can I print the book then? I’d like to read it on paper

  208. jr Avatar
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    I’m struggling to remember why I am on your mailing list but dang I’m going to read this entire book, and I cannot wait 🙂 But I warn you, I’m probably going to want a print version.

  209. Jim Faherty  Avatar
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    Congrats on finishing this behemoth of a book! You won’t have any free time to write anything (of value) as a new dad so just lean in and enjoy that experience. We will look forward to your next blog post in another 5 or 6 years ????

  210. Jamie Moffat Avatar
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    Please , now release a print version

  211. Grego Avatar
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    Is it liberal oriented?

    No problem if yes, I’m just not into this kind of stuff, and I’d like to avoid wasting my time and money.

    1. Wil Dreams Avatar
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      I think this question is exactly the problem Tim is trying to point out. We’ve gotten so divided that politics is an acceptable excuse for shutting down our brain on new information and knowledge because we are worried it won’t fit our current ‘easy way to filter stuff for living our best life’. I’m not saying the concept of that filter is bad, it’s a natural thing for an animal when presented with too much information to process, trust someone who is willing to do that processing for you.

      But personally I think the filter should be “Which decision makes life better for the most people, because if others life is better they have no reason to not also make mine better or at worst no reason to mess with mine”. We are now in a Post-Scarcity age if we choose to be with enough resources that we don’t need to fight over them and be scared we won’t get enough. And those that currently run the system know this and are scared of giving up the reins so they abuse that trust you had put in them to short sell on everything that could help the future for just a little while longer.

    2. JakeDunnegan Avatar
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      I’m conservative and I find this opinion ridiculous.

      If your opinions can’t stand the pressure of being contradicted and proven, then they aren’t very strong opinions. It’s why authoritarians shut down free speech.

      1. Grego Avatar
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        What opinion, moron? You can’t even understand a basic statement! Stfu

        1. JakeDunnegan Avatar
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          Why are you on this site? It’s obviously one for expanding your mind and horizons and you’re obviously not “into” doing that.

          1. Grego Avatar
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            I just want to choose. Looks like freedom is not an option for you. And what about this authoritarian behavior? Typical.

            1. JakeDunnegan Avatar
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              So read the book and make your choice whether to agree with it or not, in part or in whole. I imagine when I read it (later today), I’ll learn some things, possibly doubt some, and do some further research etc.

              Tim has, over the long term, voiced a relatively neutral opinion on things. For example, he took a LOT of heat for saying Trump being elected basically “wasn’t the end of the world”. Because, those on the Left have a hard time hearing differing opinions as well.

              I imagine a lot of what’s in this book is exactly what we’re talking about – we’ve all gotten so tribal, that it’s to the point we don’t even want to listen to another point of view, much less give it any credence.

              If you’re really about freedom, then freedom would seem to indicate you’d give the book a read, and form your opinion after you read it, and not before.

            2. Grego Avatar
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              By doing that I would spend my whole life just reading. I just wanted to know if it was worth or not. There’s lot of stuff you can dismiss without diving into.
              I was a frequent reader of Tim since his begging and I stopped after he posted some stuff I wasn’t really into.
              Following your comment, it’s good to know he found some balance, that’s exactly what I needed to know, might give a chance on this book.

            3. JakeDunnegan Avatar
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              FWIW, I’ve read the first 10% of the book (it’s on the Kindle reader, so it doesn’t have a page count) and it’s very even-handed. In fact, I’ve yet to detect anything Right or Left about it, much like the various other articles I’ve read by Tim.

              I do like his historical take on where we came from vs. where we are going, which gives the book a very “based” POV, IMO. In other words, dealing with facts, instead of opinion.

            4. Grego Avatar
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              I’ll trust your micro review and get a copy on kindle too. That’s the answer I was seeking 🙂 Thanks!

            5. JakeDunnegan Avatar
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              I just came across a table in the book that Tim uses to describe the left and right in the US – and, he’s actually spot on, without saying what he feels about either opinion. It looks like this:

              https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMQTYstWwAAYjUX?format=jpg&name=medium

              Which, to me, seem like he has the finger on the pulse of what’s going on, and who knows, may have some good ideas. 😉 Glad you’re giving it a shot. So far, (can’t lie) – there are a few parts that drag a little bit in minutiae, but then I see one of his drawings or a phrase that makes me laugh out loud.

              Glad to hear you’re giving it a shot! 🙂 With all the color pictures, it definitely reads better on the kindle app online (https://read.amazon.com)

              Cheers!

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              I want to also add – I just noticed that the image on the Twitter link and the one that’s in the book are different. True to his own philosophy, it looks like Tim listened to some of the comments about the one on Twitter, and removed/changed those to conform to less controversial items where the Right/Left divide is more obvious, sticking to thinks like Pro/anti Abortion, etc.

              Anyway, just want to also reiterate – it’s nice to walk away from an internet conversation thinking that at the very least, the two sides were listening to each other. 🙂 So, thanks for that!

  212. Jayden Lawson Avatar
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    You know how in movies, when solving crimes captured by CCTV, the good guys only have to utter the word “enhance!” and an image is miraculously enhanced? I need this for that images of the book’s pages above…

    Enhance!

  213. Dan MacKinlay Avatar

    Congrats on book!

    I wonder about the reading group form; it looks like it collects *just* email addresses? Does that mean they would be somehow asynchronous? if they were to be synchronous, you might want to collect timezone information, or even some more precise geography.

    *waves from UTC+11*

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      I think it means we’ll get more info by email about how it will actually go for book clubs.

  214. JH Avatar
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    You are the GOAT. So excited for this!

  215. George Hegedus Avatar
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    Awesome! And now we can read the third part of The Presidents soon? 😛

  216. zoerouth Avatar
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    I am so excited for this book! I loved the Story of Us and I am sure this book will be an insightful and useful treatise on society. Thanks Tim for your perseverance – I am grateful!

  217. Kerry Fisherkeller Avatar
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    About damm time Tim! Learned from you the IGM is only squelched on a deadline. Looking forward to reading your observations and assessment.

  218. Charlotte Avatar
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    Huge accomplishment! And hey, Einstein thought about the problem of relativity for 10 years before publishing… So, you’re RELATIVELY fast. 😀
    Good on you for sticking with it… Enjoy the baby and please enlighten us on parenting in a few years too!

    1. Steve Avatar
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      And Darwin had the idea for evolution for decades or something before he wrote it. Tim’s book is worth the wait, that’s for sure.

  219. Colton  Avatar
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    Congrats dude!

  220. Pedro Avatar
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    Please consider releasing a hard copy in the future. It’s so much easier to grasp these hard concepts on a physical book. I know it will cost more, but it’s worth every penny.

  221. Breno Saloio Avatar
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    Cool! Congratulations on you achievement. Looking forward to getting it.

  222. David Krmpotic Avatar

    Way to go! 🙂 & looking forward to reading the book

  223. Divyanshu Bora Avatar
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    Finally, the King of Blogging has paved his way to the throne. Really had an amazing read as always, by the way.????????

    My best wishes for your book,
    Divyanshu Bora ☺️

  224. Lukas Houben Avatar
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    In summary, Baby Urban is a panic monster. All hail Baby Urban!

  225. Slade B. Avatar
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    Ya know what, Tim? Please print a version of it anyway. Gawd forbid some godawful zap bomb wipe out our computers and you lose all this work!

  226. Josef Marc Avatar
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    Heck, I’ll probably just buy all the editions.

    I just said this next sentence to myself so it might be goofy but in my opinion, when a gift like WBW stares you in the face, just kiss it.

  227. Seb Avatar
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    Missed you!!!

  228. Fauzan Avatar
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    Pre-ordered the book via kindle!!

  229. am Avatar
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    I’m your age and just had a baby, so we have that in common. Welcome to the world of new dads and congrats on the baby, uh book.

  230. Adam Avatar
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    +1 hard copy

  231. MJ Loewen Avatar
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    Congrats, Tim! It will be interesting to hear your takes on society from your status as a new Dad!

  232. Ofure Avatar
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    Congratulations on writing the book, Tim. I have preordered the book and I’m looking forward to having a good time with your words and thoughts.

    Also, a big congratulations on starting a family!

  233. Sean Withford Avatar
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    It’s weird serendipity to receive an email about this book. Since ChatGPT launched I’ve been resharing with people your AI articles from 2015. The exponential growth curve is so accurate, and the prediction so incredibly close. Back then (and today) those AI articles still blow my mind. Looking forward to this!

    1. Greg Mushen Avatar
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      I’ve been thinking about this so much lately. Almost every day, I’m like, “Tim nailed it.”

  234. David Farrell Avatar
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    Well done Tim. Looking forward to it!

  235. Romuald Cz Avatar
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    Hi Tim! Great that you are finished with this topic, it’s been some time. I am not personally the greatest fan of the “Story of Us” series. So… does it mean you are free to write on another exciting topic now? 🙂

  236. Florida Man Avatar
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    Print a big fat hardcover. Charge a hundred bucks for it. It’ll go on the coffee table right next to the Babadook pop up book.

  237. Joshua Hiwatig Avatar
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    First of all, congrats on your baby, Tim! I really missed reading your posts! Btw, I checked Apple Books (and I’m from the Philippines) and it’s not yet available for pre-order in my country. Will the book be available on launch day instead?

  238. Rob Mac Avatar
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    I understand not delaying the launch to do a print version, but what about adding a print version later? I would buy it too. Just saying.

    1. Joshua Hiwatig Avatar
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      Totally agree. My generation still love buying books on print. ????

    2. Ádám Zovits Avatar
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      Joining the chorus of “please make a dead tree version, cost is not an issue” camp. There are way too many people in my life who don’t read from displays but who would certainly appreciate this tome.

  239. Denis Carbonne Avatar
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    well done buddy!

  240. Boris Avatar
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    Waiting to read it – super excited for you and the family/baby as well.

    But first the book 😉

  241. Kenny Huenink Avatar
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    It’s interesting looking back at the last six years for me, a lot of similarities. Having an infant child is something that really changes your perspective.

    Really glad to see your back. I can’t wait to buy and read your book. I’ve been looking for a good book to read lately.

    Btw I think the cloud over society that you are talking about that is hard to explain may have started in 2012 and was just really evident in 2016.

    Also being an optimist that I am I think we will get through this and we have a bright future.

  242. Rajat Avatar
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    Finally a post, Tim. And that too on my birthday. It couldn’t have gotten any better than this, tbh. I used to come back on this webpage atleast once every month, for two years straight to see if you crafted a new post. Today, finally it happens. A eureka moment for us all, feels lively to hear back from you!

  243. kendra Avatar
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    Awww so happy for you and your family!! Great achievment! Can’t wait to enjoy the book 🙂

  244. Kevin Deschênes Avatar

    I also am perplexed about current societies. Democracies seems unable to do anything hard, Autocracies decay after about a decade. I asked ChatGPT about it and the answer was that a benevolent dictator might be the only way to make societies really great. The best benevolent dictator will most likely be ai. Let’s just hope he is more patient than Bing ????

    1. Steve Avatar
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      Nah, I would be a good benevolent dictator (yes, I have an ego).

  245. Grandpa Cornelius Avatar
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    All I can think of as a response is this very old song (much older than me)

    Happy days are here again
    The skies above are clear again
    So let’s sing a song of cheer again
    Happy days are here again

  246. Shalin Patel Avatar
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    Preordered! Very cool you’re offering a free version too for those that can’t afford it.

  247. Bjorn Levidow Avatar
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    One vote for a physical book to come out sometime in the future!

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      Even if it happens in months, I would love to have that book to add in my physical library! Kind of a collector item. Plus, I guess that would allow you to get some well deserved money! Maybe only on preorders to avoid the problem of having too much or too few books and managing stock? Anyway I’m getting carried away. Can’t wait to be Tuesday!

  248. chisny Avatar
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    This probably is the only book I’ve ever excited about pre-launch. Congratulations on being a Dad.

  249. willie neumann Avatar
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    I’M SO FUCKING EXCITED!

  250. Linda Avatar
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    I”ve missed you. Congratulations on the book!

  251. Scott Coffin Avatar
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    Call me old school (54yrs old), but if it was released in a hardback copy vs. only digital, I would buy the day I could get in my hands. 😉

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      I _did_ buy the ebook. But if hard copy comes out, I’d buy twice.

  252. thepianoman Avatar
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    There you are! I forgot that I missed you until email notifications came back. I am unbelievably excited to dig into your book. Congratulations on the new family, can’t wait to start seeing your posts about raising kids and the co-dependent, fantastic, awful, yet life-changing experience it is.

  253. d_stin Avatar
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    Congrats dude, happy for you. I think I speak for many in saying “Please take my money!”

  254. Jan Kaspersen Avatar

    Dear Tim … i love most of you writings, i started following you when you made two post about AI (not that i didn’t know anything about it) but you really made i simple for the average guy. So i sent the 2 links to many of my friends, so they would get a grip of it… because you have a very good way of explaining things … i which you the best… but where do i buy the book ?

  255. sammyj Avatar
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    I love you but you’re straight up crazy

  256. sammyj Avatar
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    i love you but you’re straight up crazy.

  257. Rodrigo Avatar
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    Nice to see you’re back dude!

  258. Denis Gobo Avatar
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    Very nice… I was missing all your posts… it’s been too long.. congrats!!